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@DynamicSquid
Feynmans question to self, was, why does the mass of the electron repeat itself at approximately at 206.7572826?
Pi { 3.133 approximation } * 66 = 206.778 and is approximate to mass of the muon-electron
Pi = 3.141 - 3.133 = 0.008 differrence
Why 66?
66 lines-of-relationships between 12 vertexes of the 5-fold icosahedron and the 12 vertexes of Vector-Equlibrium
Pi^3{ XYZ } = 31.00 62 7 66..............
Pi^4{ XYZ-t } - 31{ XYZ } = 66.4 0909 10 34 00 24
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Pi^3{ 3D }
Pi^4{ 3D + t } this one is suspect as we consider the 4th-D as inherently time only value { more on that at bottom of page }
Pi^4 { 4D } - 4 = 24.35 22 7 27.....
..this latter above is my process of renormalizing 4D{ as spatial only } as a time value only.
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Is it a valid process to consider time in the above Pi^4{ 3D + t } instead of considering it as a hyper-dimension?
Considering the 4th-Dimension as Micho Kaku does, as the internal diagonal of XYZ cube, then that is INward.
My numerical torus creates reality as sine-wave via INward inversions from peak of positive curvature and negative curvature of my 4 line/level numerical based torus.
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@ebuc
That's just a coincidence. Let me explain.
Why are firetrucks red?
Because they have eight wheels and four people on them, and four plus eight makes twelve, and there are twelve inches in a foot, and one foot is a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was a ruler, and Queen Elizabeth was also a ship, and the ship sailed the seas, and there were fish in the seas, and fish have fins, and the Finns fought the Russians, and the Russians are red, and fire trucks are always “Russian" around.
- Monty Python
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@DynamicSquid
So you have no idea why the electrons mass repeats as the muon electron and thee tau electrons specific mass.
That's fine, just asking. We never know, what others might know, to aid us on our journey, unless we ask
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@DynamicSquid
Two questions since you asked...
What is your passion?
I noticed you are an Atheist, without claiming there is no evidence for God....including all you have thought of, what is it that has persuaded you to accept such an ideology? say...as opposed to agnosticism or a neutral position?
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@DynamicSquid
Pi^4 { 4D } - 4 = 24.35 22 7 27.......this is above is my original process of renormalizing 4D{ as spatial only } as a time value only.
Oops, a caught a misprint. The above should read Pi^4 { 4D } / 4 = 24.35 22 7 27
/ = division
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@DynamicSquid
You do a lot of space debates. You probably want more funding for NASA. How much more money would you give them?
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@DynamicSquid
ARE YOU A NASA AGENT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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@EtrnlVw
@ebuc
@PressF4Respect
Ebuc
Yeah I have no clue.
Eternal
1. Programming
2. My parents were atheists, so I kinda just grew into it. I'm not really into religious topics, however I think that my current understanding of science and way of thinking prevents me from believing in any form of religion
Alec
Nice of you to notice! However I don't know an exact value for their budget increase. A couple more billion should be fine, probably a little more than 30 billion. I still need to do more research on how they spend their budget exactly.
PressF4
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What do you think about transhumanism
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@DynamicSquid
1. Programming
Interesting, what about programming do you think attracts you so much?
2. My parents were atheists, so I kinda just grew into it. I'm not really into religious topics, however I think that my current understanding of science and way of thinking prevents me from believing in any form of religion
So, are you saying that science and religion/spirituality cannot be compatible? I for example, agree with science AND spirituality on most things (most things because neither are perfect). I think they can be in harmony with one another because they both study two different natures of our experience.
Now when you say your way of thinking prevents you from religious propositions that worries me lol, because you don't want conditioned thinking to get in the way of potential possibilities. Did you know you don't have to accept any form of religion to accept there is a Creator? religion studies the nature of God but God exists independent of any religions, they are just there to relay knowledge and information.
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@DynamicSquid
Why?
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@EtrnlVw
@Mopac
@Singularity
Singularity
Like brain implants and all that?
Eternal
1. I like the freedom of it, you can do whatever you want. It's also cool to see a bunch of lines on a computer create something. I'm also trying out game design with Unreal, and so far I love it!
2. To me, I don't think they can be compatible. I think Science can prove everything, and it can disprove religion/creator. Now obviously science can't definitely prove everything yet, but I think it can and will in the future for sure. I also think being raised an atheist helped to cement my beliefs.
Mopac
Yes.
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@DynamicSquid
A couple more billion should be fine, probably a little more than 30 billion. I still need to do more research on how they spend their budget exactly.
They currently get $19 billion per year. I think they should get more funding, but it shouldn't exceed $200 billion per year.
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@Alec
$200 billion's too much. Way way too much. That's like a third of the military's budget! Instead of increasing NASA's budget a ton, we should focus on collaborating with private companies, and working with them. It's already happening, and has expanded the space sector a ton.
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@DynamicSquid
That's what I would want to spend in 2033. Now, I'd keep it at around $85 billion.
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@Alec
Wow, you really want to see a lot of progress being done?
If we spend this much money on space, what sectors are we going to be reducing?
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@DynamicSquid
It's complicated, but here's my spending plan:
Turns out NASA was getting less than what I thought.
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@DynamicSquid
1. I like the freedom of it, you can do whatever you want. It's also cool to see a bunch of lines on a computer create something. I'm also trying out game design with Unreal, and so far I love it!
Sweet.
2. To me, I don't think they can be compatible.
Why? I just said they work with two different natures lol?
I think Science can prove everything, and it can disprove religion/creator.
Science is a neutral study, it has no say whether or not God exists and that's not its purpose. As a matter of fact due to the very nature of God the scientific method can't reach that information. Science studies how things work in our natural universe that's it, if God exists science is still doing that same thing no more no less. It's just a method to examine what we observe in the natural world, you're putting too much emphasis where it don't belong, science contains no information on its own other than what we feed it.
Now obviously science can't definitely prove everything yet, but I think it can and will in the future for sure.
Why are you waiting for science to prove something for you? doesn't that seem like a pipe dream when we have a study like spirituality that's been here all along that is capable and compatible with the nature of the Creator? Basically you are waiting around for it to do something it can never accomplish, even more it is a neutral study meaning the evidence can be interpreted as compatible to Theism as well.
I also think being raised an atheist helped to cement my beliefs.
Don't atheists condemn believers for that very thing? I wouldn't say that's a good thing because again we are back to conditioned thinking.
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@EtrnlVw
Well, what exactly do you define as a God or Creator?
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@DynamicSquid
Well, what exactly do you define as a God or Creator?
God IS a Creator...The term Creator says a lot but God can be considered "the highest Universal Principle, the Ultimate Reality (Ultimate Observer) in the universe. God is the immaterial, efficient, formal and final cause of all that exists....the pervasive, genderless, infinite, eternal truth and bliss which does not change, yet is the cause of all changes. As a metaphysical concept God is the single binding unity behind diversity in all that exists in the universe."
To make things more simplistic or easier to conceptualize, imagine your own conscious being but on a massive scale. Imagine if you had no bodily form but your awareness still existed, almost like as if you were just a mind or a pure conscious entity. Imagine that awareness to be comparable to energy as we know it in the universe. How it is omnipresent, without being created or destroyed....eternally existing.
Now imagine that everything that exists...exists within this formless mind or consciousness and that the Creator manipulates energy to create form that it may have endless experiences through all different channels of conscious activity.
Let me know if you can get your head around that or if it makes any sense to you, if not I can elaborate more on it.
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@EtrnlVw
I think I know what you're saying, but that's where I disagree. I think Science doesn't support that belief of consciousness. No being can be like that.
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@DynamicSquid
I think I know what you're saying, but that's where I disagree. I think Science doesn't support that belief of consciousness.
Consciousness is an open question in science so anything they put forth is basically conjecture. Their conception of awareness will always be incomplete because they look at it azz backwards. Inanimate material does not create consciousness, consciousness exists as it is just like energy and it is this foundation of intelligence that creates form through energy, not the other way around.
If you were to add awareness to energy you wouldn't be that far off from what you currently believe, only you would have a model that makes more sense. Have you ever asked yourself why energy exists at all? what is it? why is it there? how does it produce form and intelligence?
Don't you think it is strange that any inanimate force could produce processes and sentient beings? I mean you think this is possible so why is it so hard to consider that consciousness exists like energy exists?
No being can be like that.
Awareness is exactly like that and that is the nature of God, omnipresent. Omnipresent means there is nowhere something exists where God is not aware or present….Consciousness does not need a vehicle to exist, it needs form to have experiences though outside of itself.
I understand it's not what you're used to accepting but awareness is the foundation behind all things...energy exists because conscious activity exists, conscious activity generates energy and so they co-exist. This is why energy operates as an intelligent force within the universe, why it produces what it does.
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@DynamicSquid
Science doesn't support that belief
Science doesn't answer questions about God remember? this would be outside the realm of what science can reach. So when we are discussing the Creator and the nature of God we are leaving science out of the discussion.
If you want to learn anything new in regards to God, the soul or how creation is put together we move over to spirituality and the knowledge that correlates with the nature of God.
So it's not that science doesn't support it, it simply doesn't know it.
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@EtrnlVw
So to answer your question about consciousness/awareness, I think that consciousness can only be derived from having a brain, and a brain can only be in a species, like us. So I don't think energy fields could have a consciousness. Also, energy fields in general can be simplified to atomic particles, and sometimes even smaller. Energy in a sense is measurable, and observable (well, not now, but in the future possibly). It's like air. We can't see it, but we can measure it, observe it in some ways, and therefore know what it is.
And the thing about God. I think what you mean is that God isn't intelligent life (like us), but rather just energy with a consciousness. However, like I said before, energy is measurable, and observable. This means that we can track individual "energy units." This I believe contradicts the theory of God.
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@DynamicSquid
So to answer your question about consciousness/awareness, I think that consciousness can only be derived from having a brain, and a brain can only be in a species, like us.
You THINK conscious entities are created by the brain. So you assume a series of impulses and neural firing somehow can create a conscious being so by what mechanism does that creation happen?
The brain is a component, it isolates your experience to a physical body so that your attention is confined to this world. I think the more you consider it the more you will find that the mass of cells that are called the brain creating conscious beings is quite absurd...Here is a post of mine in another thread for you to consider...
" Since you first are a whole conscious entity and not a series of impulses created by the material body your own intuition can infer that what I'm proposing is true and genuine. The only thing that can possibly be an obstacle here is conditioned thinking so you have to be willing to work around that factor, at the same time understand that the nature of consciousness is an open question within the scientific community so many of its postulations are basically conjecture and conclusions based upon an incomplete understanding about the soul and the physical body and how they work together.
But believe it or not you are not a series of impulses and neural firing you are a conscious being that occupies a physical body. You can compare consciousness to energy and or electricity they both exist within form and independent of form, when your physical body ceases to maintain your experience through it your conscious soul exits that form.
The brain is nothing more than a conduit, conductor or component that confines your experience to this body so that you may interact within this world but it does not create your conscious being. So while you can detect "activity" within the brain while you occupy it, it's the same as when you see "activity" within a circuit board while electricity channels through it. Nothing more nothing less.
Your soul needs a good conduit that is alive and active because the conscious soul is energetic and alive and not dead, this is why you have the brain you have and the nervous system you experience but they are just tools that you use to navigate through this life. Because of that factor the catch here is that you believe it's the body that is creating your experience lol, when in fact it's just a vehicle. This is was makes your experience here complete though, because it helps the individual focus on this life and become productive, this is what confines and restricts your awareness and reduces your experience from a much larger reality just as we confine electricity to be utilized and reduced to occupancy within machinery ect ect."
So I don't think energy fields could have a consciousness.
So then I expect you can articulate why then....energy fields operate as intelligence and why it produces intelligent processes? what other inanimate force do you know of that has this magical power or ability? you should be asking yourself serious questions before ever accepting things because you've been conditioned to accept or believe without question.
Also, energy fields in general can be simplified to atomic particles, and sometimes even smaller. Energy in a sense is measurable, and observable (well, not now, but in the future possibly). It's like air. We can't see it, but we can measure it, observe it in some ways, and therefore know what it is.
Congratulations Squid Dynamo you just described the nature of awareness. And since you are in fact first a conscious being and not a blob of brain mass you have first hand experience of that. That in fact is your own observation point.
And the thing about God. I think what you mean is that God isn't intelligent life (like us), but rather just energy with a consciousness.
Consciousness=intelligence. And when we are discussing God we are talking about all the knowledge that exists wrapped up in one ocean of conscious awareness. You can't even imagine how intelligent God is lol, the Creator has been around the block awhile. God is like us but on a gigantic scale. And I don't mean like us as humans per say, I mean God is a conscious Reality like you are a tiny conscious reality.
However, like I said before, energy is measurable, and observable. This means that we can track individual "energy units." This I believe contradicts the theory of God.
That doesn't explain why energy produces processes by itself and why it operates as intelligence within our own universe. Just because it can be "measured" does not contradict anything I've said. Energy is generated by conscious activity, can you explain to me why energy exists using your own explanation? why does energy exist, where does it come from? why does it produce intelligent processes and conscious beings?
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@DynamicSquid
Let me ask you this simple question, what inherent problem do you have with considering that the universe is one gigantic living organism? considering what you know about energy and what we've discussed so far about awareness.. if energy exists entirely throughout the very fabric of the universe as a single binding unity what stops you from considering it is actual aware? remembering what it produces.
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@EtrnlVw
Okay, interesting post.
I have to be perfectly honest with you, I have very little knowledge in neuroscience or the stuff we're talking about. So, if you're getting confused like I am, just ignore the rest, but focus on this part...
Unless there is proof otherwise (which to my understanding there isn't), we are the only things in the Universe that are the way we are (consciousness, awareness, or whatever you want to call it). The rest of space are just a bunch of atoms floating aimlessly around.
Also about the universe being one life form, are you referring to something similar to the Gaia theory? And if you are, then no. I don't think so.
Like I said before, unless there is proof otherwise, then we are the only beings out there like this. No Creator, or Gaia, or anything else.
I believe in this highly due to the fact that our current Science disproves this, and that there is no evidence out there to support it.
I wish that I was more educated on this topic to give you a more detailed answer, and perhaps we could even start a debate on this, but I'm not. Sorry
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@DynamicSquid
Okay, interesting post.I have to be perfectly honest with you, I have very little knowledge in neuroscience or the stuff we're talking about. So, if you're getting confused like I am, just ignore the rest, but focus on this part...Unless there is proof otherwise (which to my understanding there isn't), we are the only things in the Universe that are the way we are (consciousness, awareness, or whatever you want to call it). The rest of space are just a bunch of atoms floating aimlessly around.
But, how do a bunch of atoms floating around aimlessly create intelligent processes, that is the question you need to focus on why? because it will take you beyond just accepting that processes just occur by themselves, in other words maybe there's a Creator....don't forget about energy, it's everywhere anything exists...energy is isolated to create form, why does that happen?
Also about the universe being one life form, are you referring to something similar to the Gaia theory? And if you are, then no. I don't think so.
I guess what I'm trying to get you to consider is the nature of awareness, being as I proposed like energy, part of the very fabric of the universe itself much like an ocean of awareness. Energy is ever present, it exists both within form and independent of form and is eternal. Interestingly God is proposed the very same way, and so my posts here are meant to show you what God is and how creation operates through first intelligence, not random atoms floating around. Intelligent processes happen through an awareness, an awareness of God that is.
But God doesn't have a physical body, so again we're back to a sort of conscious Reality that exists much like energy does. I know that sounds weird when you're used to the idea that a brain creates conscious beings but in spirituality, it is the other way around. Awareness comes before all other things, and we can determine this is true buy what I've been telling you. Energy creates intelligent processes because energy has awareness, and conscious activity produces energy so they actually co-exist. That is why energy is eve there and why it creates things.
Like I said before, unless there is proof otherwise, then we are the only beings out there like this. No Creator, or Gaia, or anything else.
That is a fair opinion/asumption, but not a very thoughtful one.
I believe in this highly due to the fact that our current Science disproves this, and that there is no evidence out there to support it.
But you forgot already that science has not disproved any of this, and actually is unable to disprove it. I believe we covered that in the first two exchanges.
I wish that I was more educated on this topic to give you a more detailed answer, and perhaps we could even start a debate on this, but I'm not. Sorry
Well, you don't have to be educated there's not much more even science can tell you. All you have to do is consider some things, and we use a common sense approach while not accepting conjecture. Maybe there is more to what I'm saying than you previously thought...
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@EtrnlVw
Yeah, no I'm really confused. I guess my stance on this topic is the way it is because I just feel like it. I know that's not really a "fair" reason why, but I believe that a new theory can only be accepted if there is proof to it.
It's just like how some religious people are very reluctant to change their beliefs, even through they are clearly wrong. I guess that's like how I think. I'm also more worried about other issues, not this. I feel like that if I were interested in this topic, then my reasoning would change. I don't give this topic much thought.
However you do have an interesting point on this topic.