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@David
If you had to kill 3 players right now, who would they be. Don't give reasoning.
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@PressF4Respect
Why can't we popcorn people for character and/or role?

In a game this big it’s better to use behavioral analysis first rather than rely on character claims and such. Tbh I was surprised that Lunatic even brought that up given his experience.
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@David
Should vanilla town claims be lynched? There are two possibilities: 1) That they are vanilla town or 2) They are mafia fake claiming. Mafia would know if option 1 is correct. In that case, leaving a claimed VT alive long enough helps scum narrow down the power roles 

They should be taken with a grain of salt. There should be a lynch this DP no matter what. It can be inactive, which is a good policy or someone there’s consensus on with more than the majority of the majority
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@Bullish
I think we have good info to work off of, no need for more claims. Just get input from at least one of the inactives, then we can get a real lynch wagon going. 

Have you played with Lunatic before? And what’s your stance on policy lynching inactives?
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@oromagi
Despite making lengthy posts, you still have not made a claim, despite being explicitly asked to do so.

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@PressF4Respect
False. You have played enough games with me to know that I have made in a claim but in a format that increases pressure on scum and does not compromise town. The intention is to bug scum.  You know that and you are bugged.  That is information. 

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@Bullish
For my reference, this was the order in which Water was brought to L-1:

Greyparrot scum tells Water
Singularity [1/7]
Greyparrot [2/7]
Bullish [3/7]
Lunatic [4/7]
drafterman [5/7]
PressF [6/7]

Other than being overnight, this was done very quickly. 

I agree this was suspiciously fast. Some scum is on this list. Why did you join the lynch?
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@ILikePie5
I've played with him many times on DDO. I am in favor of policy lynching.
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@Bullish
I don’t get how the president is vanilla anyway. He’s probably scum lawyer or something. 
Could be the mod favored balance over making a role make sense with the character. I have had to do that as a mod before, and have turned potential power roles into vanillas. 


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Mr. Garrison of more recent seasons was a personification of Trump, but his entire being Trump is interesting, as that didn't happen until season 21. Mr. Garrison in the show goes through many weird phases, from getting a sex change, being a crazed sex addict, to being Donald Trump. I guess it depends on Supa's vision of the south park universe, but I thought it was weird that Drafter's role would specify the Trump version, instead of just saying "Mr. Garrison" when all other claimed characters are normally recurring. But I am not sure it's the work of a bad google search, because I feel like drafter would have left out the Trump part altogether if it was a fake claim, which makes me lean town on him, and think that Supa more likely added the Trump thing as his most recent vision of the character.
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@oromagi
Oromagi is claiming Kenny btw. Dude you could have just said Kenny.

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@oromagi
Go ahead and popcorn one of the remaining individuals for a claim.
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unvote.
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@ILikePie5
In a game this big it’s better to use behavioral analysis first rather than rely on character claims and such. Tbh I was surprised that Lunatic even brought that up given his experience.
Why? We have been popcorning claims in the most recent quickfires, why no here as well? I understand the stigma behind why people never wanted to do it on DDO, but I also think the few times it did happen, it was done wrong. For example, they never popcorned it, and mafia would just wait to be last. This way forces someone to make a claim when it's their turn, and to delay is to get lynched. Also we don't know what the thematic difference is between town and scum yet. As someone who absolutely loves south park and has seen literally every episode, I can't even tell you what the right answer could be. We will have to wait for a mafia flip to tell. In the mean time, getting claims locked down forces mafia's hand a bit. They might claim their actual characters (which will hurt them later on if the thematic difference is figured out) or could fake claim and get CC'ed. Btw I don't see any harm to this. For example, I never would have guessed Cartman would ever be a cop, or Stan a dreamer. I don't think you can really deduce power roles from character claims in this game.

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I don't know if I have justification per se (e.g. role description + "because of this you are" + role). My role indicates that the kids would rather I not be teaching them. And then it says I am a vanilla. But there is no explicitly connector between the two.

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@Lunatic
I think this popcorn concept deserves an explanation. When I google popcorn mafia a very different game is described than what you advocate here. 
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@drafterman
So It doesn't say anything about Trump in the description?
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@oromagi
You know back in school when you would have to popcorn read? One person reads a page of a book, then says Popcorn, suzie! Then suzie reads the next page and popcorns someone else? 

Same concept here, you just choose who you want to claim next until we have all character claims out.

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@Lunatic
Never heard of it. 

m’kay-  POPCORN singularity
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@Bullish
Half the guys were on the wagon cause of the fluff post thing.
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@Lunatic
No, it was only included as an aka

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@WaterPhoenix
I think it was moreso you denying that a fluff post was fluff.
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@Speedrace
I am Butters.

Speedrace next

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If speedrace has already went than iron toaster
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@Singularity
Speed claimed stan. VTL Irontoaster
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@drafterman
Nah, everyone just didn't understand what post I was talking about.

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