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@EtrnlVw
Do you feel sorry for millions of people getting tricked into believing a lie ?
So you just chose your religion?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I doubt if there are a million people as tricked as you. And why would EtrnlVw feel any responsibility for your delusion?Do you feel sorry for millions of people getting tricked into believing a lie ?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Do you feel sorry for millions of people getting tricked into believing a lie ?
Getting tricked? people believe what they want and for them there is truth in it and why would I need to be concerned with what other people believe unless they want answers? But as for me and spirituality I try and not limit it, and sometimes that means discarding false ideas or misconceptions and utilizing more intuition and commonsense. Spirituality and religion is a vast arena, there is no "one or the other"....there is truth and there are misconceptions within all of it. The objective is to experience what is true.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Everyone is deceived to an extent. We all probably deserve hell, even if that isn't what we get.
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@Mopac
The soul comes from the heart of God, why would you (or anyone) deserve hell? doesn't that sound ridiculous in the light of a Divine Being? in which all beings come out of? souls don't "deserve" anything until they commit what it is they are deserving of. I know the doctrine that all souls are inherently evil is popular, but it's a major misconception. The soul is as clean as the day it left the heart of God, the two are of the very same nature.
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@EtrnlVw
Those who receive not a love of The Truth are cursed with strong delusion.
People who are strongly deluded tend to suffer. This is an observable fact.
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@Mopac
Those who receive not a love of The Truth are cursed with strong delusion.People who are strongly deluded tend to suffer. This is an observable fact.
What has this to do with what I wrote? how does this relate to saying we all deserve hell? If you want to address the contents of what I wrote that would be nice. If not I'd rather you not reply with something that has nothing to do with my questions. And, it always seems like you are asserting who loves truth and who doesn't, why do you feel the need to do that? Are you one of those who receives not the love of the "Truth"...or is it everyone else? or maybe you should make it clearer, or better yet stick to addressing content.
This "deluded" crap gets real old and annoying from members to deal with all the time, we just got rid of one of em. Does anyone know how irritating it is to have an adult discussion with someone who thinks everyone else is deluded? and or not have love of the truth lol? come on guys, we're trying to raise the level of this place to something above the norm....
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@EtrnlVw
I agree, it's annoying.
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@EtrnlVw
I'm only stating the obvious. Maybe you are reading too much into it.
There are repercussions for our actions. What is so controversial about this? People who live in fantasy candy land tend to suffer mental illness. Nothing new there.
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@EtrnlVw
Maybe everyone is guilty of sin, and deserves hell.
As I said, just because that is what we deserve doesn't mean that is what we get. What is so controversial about this statement?
What is controversial here is the very concept of hell, that is what it looks like to me.
Truly, anyone who is aware of their own sin would be offended at hell if they listen to the devil, who condemns them, giving them no hope. The Holy Spirit convicts, and leads the convicted into repentance.
I know that all fall short of the glory of God. I am not puffing myself up at all, if I get anything good, it is an act of mercy and charity. My righteousness is filthy rags.
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@Mopac
People who are strongly deluded tend to suffer. This is an observable fact.
I see your pain. It looks excruciating. You have my sympathies.
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@Mopac
HELL is a story used to frighten children and in your case I see it works.
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@disgusted
No, threats of hell certainly never worked on me, neither did I find them as anything other than vain threats backed by impotence.
What brought me to God was love of The Truth, which turned out to be God.
I don't fear for my life. Fear has never been a motivator for me. My life motto used to be "No hope is what gives me guts".
I was a very reckless youth.
Theists are great religious group pickers.
What with 100% of the theists on this site correctly choosing the correct groups.
Really great pickers, the lot of you.
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@Mopac
No, threats of hell certainly never worked on me
That's not how you present
Maybe everyone is guilty of sin, and deserves hel
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@disgusted
Sounds like interpretation to me.
And taking everything I said in context, it was more like "Maybe everyone deserves hell even if that isn't what they get."
And truly, the righteousness of even the best man is like filthy rags when placed next to God.
I have never been scared of hell. Maybe fear of hell motivates some, but not me. I love God because I love THE TRUTH, and my God is The Truth.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I did not choose my religion. God chose me. I did not have the capacity or the ability to reject him. He outsmarted me. And now I am sold on him.
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@Tradesecret
Fair enough. And to ( me ) this is the ultimate fair way anyone can explain what believing in god has to do with joining a group.
I've not a single argument against it. And it's damaging to my case.
But trade? What I am expecting to be the case is, now get this, stay with me.
What I think might be happening is people a person may in fact join a religion and like be in a religious group without ever actually meeting a god and having it/him/her ever tell them that it/he/her wants them to join the A's or like join the C's.
Trade, its not like you would join a group if god didn't actually tell you hey.?
Good game
Good game
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Forum posts: 55Topic's authorAdded: 09.23.18 01:49AM--> @TradesecretFair enough. And to ( me ) this is the ultimate fair way anyone can explain what believing in god has to do with joining a group.I've not a single argument against it. And it's damaging to my case.But trade? What I am expecting to be the case is, now get this, stay with me.What I think might be happening is people a person may in fact join a religion and like be in a religious group without ever actually meeting a god and having it/him/her ever tell them that it/he/her wants them to join the A's or like join the C's.Trade, its not like you would join a group if god didn't actually tell you hey.?Good gameGood game
Hello Deb, can I call you that? I apologise if it is presuming too much (But you did call me Trade)
Thanks in the first instance for conceding that my position does go against yours and does not help you. I must say that you made me smile when you said "I've not a single argument against it" and then proceeded to lay out and argument. It was kind of cute in a backwards sort of way.
Secondly, I think you are correct in that many people do join religious groups without ever meeting a god face to face or even hearing a god audibly telling them to join a group. Of course it does depend upon what you mean by god. Some cults have self-professing leaders who are gods who call people to join them. In those cases gods are not necessarily non-human or supernatural or divine, just humans with a charismatic personality like Pharaoh who takes on the title of god. In fact I think most people are born into their religion although you would have to concede that actually also goes against the idea of choosing religion. It was chosen for them by their parents or perhaps by God through their parents. Still it was not necessarily their personal choice. and I would think this accounts for most people in religions today.
On the other hand there are many people who choose to join or convert to a new religion. These people probably in the large part have chosen to join a group for all sorts of reasons. They might prefer the company, or the doctrine, or are attracted to the stability, or wish to own their parent's religion for themselves or perhaps they read up, investigated a particular religion and found a kinship with it and decided to join.
For me, I grew up in a home with a dad who was an atheist and a mum who was a committed Christian. They fought all of the time, and by the time I had reached 17 I decided for myself that religion and God was nothing more than a story - perhaps invented to enslave the masses. I passed through various stages of political theories such as socialism, anarchy, and communism. I used various substances and I experimented sexually in a variety of ways. I attended uni, studied law, economics, psychology, and chemistry. In other words, I did what lots of other people have done throughout history. I played about with mysticism, and spirituality - got into dungeons and dragons, Ouija boards, and seances. traveled the world, met lots of so called spiritual people in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Tibet, Mexico and Lesotho.
And then the Spirit of God worked in my heart. I went from being antagonistic against God and Jesus to believing Jesus was God. I went from thinking Christianity was fraudulent to seeing that it was truth. I went from thinking that I had it all and needed no one to knowing I needed a saviour. Can I explain how this happened? No, I cannot. I did not believe and suddenly I did. It was like I was dead and then I was alive.
C. S Lewis describes a similar experience in relation to his conversion. He left his home to go to the movies and did not believe but by the time he got to the movies he believed. Like me, he does not recall thinking necessarily about these things - or having some kind of amazing emotional experience - simply that he was dead and then he was alive.
Did I hear the voice of God speaking to me? Not audibly. but my eyes had opened and suddenly everything had changed. Can I explain it? no. it is inexplicable. But Jesus spoke of this in John 3 about the spirit. He is like the wind and where he goes - you cannot see him. but you know he has been there. I have not seen him, but my life has definitely had all the hallmarks of him being in my life.
I would never have chosen God. In fact I had already so I thought rejected him. and then God moved in me and I was compelled to believe and now I am totally sold on him. It was not an experience - it was simply that he moved and I responded.
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@Tradesecret
Thanks for sharing your testimony in such an honest way, I really enjoyed your posts.
190 days later
Picking your religion is saying you know exactly which book God wrote. Made or whatever he did , inspired.
It ain't about god is it?
It's all about being in a group isn't it?
Good game.
Good game.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
CONGRATULATIONS ! .....people say when a BABY arrives....by the time the infant is able to recognize and follow instructions = 2- 3 years old
some JEW - JESUS - ALLAH Parasite VAMPIRE preacher INFECTS the child with their GOD DISEASE and DOGMA to OBEY or be PUNISHED
...how utterly SICK and DISGUSTING these GOD Parasite VAMPIRES truly are who INFECT and INFEST a vulnerable child's mind with this
BULLSHT....and VOILA ! the child ends up HYPNOTIZED and ENSLAVED to OBEY and SERVE the PSYCHOTIC GOD PLAYING PREACHER
who controls his FLOCK of dumbed down FOOLS with FEAR - OPPRESSION - VIOLENCE.....
This is how the Middle East GOD hoax DISEASE is transmitted....by INJECTION through so called adults...no irresponsible PSYCHOPATHS who
want to own the minds and lives of their infected sheeple drones.....DISGUSTING.....
No human EVER needs to be subjected to this horrific ABUSE especially vulnerable young children.....this is the EPITOME of CONCENTRATION
CAMP CONDITIONING....into slavery....and why the Middle EAST is still to this day is in NON STOP CONFLICT...all 3 GOD imbecile followers are
at WAR among themselves and against EARTH itself...wanting to facilitate the end of days with massive DEATH and DESTRUCTION in the name
of their fake GOD invented GARBAGE....let them KILL EACH OTHER OFF so the rest of humanity can live in PEACE and THRIVE
They can all get the FCK off this planet...and go to their HEAVEN and HELL .....
HUMANS for HEALTH and WELLNESS must RID EARTH of these 3 GOD hoax DISEASES....before it's truly to late....
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The ABRAHAMIC GODS are a JOKE...used to incite FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE all 3 are human INVENTIONS and are WORTHLESS..
..........The TRUTH revealed.....but YOU ......PGA2.0................can't handle the TRUTH..........your BRAIN is saturated with BIBLE VERSE VOMIT
and Church brainwashing DOGMA....YOU are a slave to a Comic Book Story HOAX....as children are when they are exposed to Santa Claus...
and become convinced they must OBEY the RULES in order to receive the GIFTS they DESIRE...this FORMULA for HYPNOSIS PSYCHOSIS
to accept what is told to them as FACT...is eventually understood by the child as a CLEVER HOAX....to teach them how to OBEY and be rewarded
for doing so....it's a simple technique = OBEY or be PUNISHED and SUFFER....this is the foundation of the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD garbage
This FORMULA of OBEY or be PUNISHED is used by the Middle East JEW - JESUS - ALLAH Parasite VAMPIRE preachers who act like a GOD and through clever MIND CONTROL STRATEGIES dumb down the children and adults to accept their asinine GOD - Bible / Koran / Torah Comic Book VOMIT as an absolute TRUTH....
Why then are 3 GODS needed ? 3 GODS remain from the thousands before them invented and worshipped in the middle East ?
and what of all the other GODS humans invented and worship around the world in the PAST and PRESENT TIMES ?
Oh RIGHT, according to the pathetic BRAINWASHED and DUMBED DOWN ......PGA2.0.......who is incapable of independent thought and reasoning
all must accept his / her ? idiotic version of some comic Book Bible VOMIT and the GOD attached to it or forever be WRONG and CONDEMNED to
HELL ! what a FOOL.....to believe this horrifically childish and OBSOLETE Cartoon GOD character = JEW - JESUS - ALLAH invented by old men
in a long gone and absurdly IGNORANT era of humanity...whose only purpose was to assimilate and enslave weak minded humans int some idiotic CULT
so the old men could play GOD with them ! what a JOKE....
the ABRAHAMIC Jew - Jesus - Allah GOD hoaxes PROVE beyond any doubt how TRULY STUPID the masses of humanity are...so easily manipulated into slavery and servitude of an invisible SUPER BEING who itself is to FCKG LAZY to actually show up and guide its own idiotic
human creation from exterminating itself ! because his own creation does not believe he exist so they create other GODS ....!
Like, HEY Joe...YOUR GOD SUCKS...let's create a new GOD and call it BETTY .....OK Joe said....and then we can go back to KINDERGARTEN
class and make all the other kids OBEY our NEW GOD...BETTY ! or else we will tell them they will be expelled from school if they don't accept....
...COOL ! Joe said.....now I to can PLAY GOD and make the other kids OBEY ME...because I am BETTY's Prophet...! Prophet Joe in the name
of "GOD BETTY" all must OBEY....Kneel for BETTY...beg for forgiveness...for YOU have SINNED and "BETTY" is angry with YOU....repent...
CONFESS your CRIME of even existing as a SINNER...now fall on the floor and shake for "GOD BETTY" to prove your loyalty....then OBEY me
PROPHET JOE....for only I am the speaker of GOD BETTY....all rise...and bow to me Prophet JOE....your guide and MASTER to all things "BETTY"
OBEY....or be PUNISHED and SUFFER....so says "GOD BETTY" and I Prophet Jow will carry out all punishment...as it is written in the NEWER
TESTAMENT.....the word of "GOD BETTY" the BETTY BIBLE....all kneel and thank Lord "BETTY" for this gift...the BETTY BIBLE" of verse VOMIT
for all to LIVE and DIE by.....
..........The Abrahamic GOD garbage is nothing more than a TROJAN HORSE PLOY used to assimilate truly STUPID humans into slavery of some
idiotic JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD invented CULT .....truly the HELL on this EARTH these Parasite VAMPIRES are who fabricated this 3 GOD
garbage hoax and the idiots that are HYPNOTIZED and FOLLOW this crap to their GRAVES...
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@WisdomofAges
CONGRATULATIONS, people say when a BABY arrives....by the time the infant is able to recognize and follow instructions = 2- 3 years oldsome JEW - JESUS - ALLAH Parasite VAMPIRE preacher INFECTS the child with their GOD DISEASE and DOGMA to OBEY or be PUNISHED...how utterly SICK and DISGUSTING these GOD Parasite VAMPIRES truly are who INFECT and INFEST a vulnerable child's mind with thisBULLSHT....and VOILA ! the child ends up HYPNOTIZED and ENSLAVED to OBEY and SERVE the PSYCHOTIC GOD PLAYING PREACHERwho controls his FLOCK of dumbed down FOOLS with FEAR - OPPRESSION - VIOLENCE.....This is how the Middle East GOD hoax DISEASE is transmitted....by INJECTION through so called adults...no irresponsible PSYCHOPATHS whowant to own the minds and lives of their infected sheeple drones.....DISGUSTING.....No human EVER needs to be subjected to this horrific ABUSE especially vulnerable young children.....this is the EPITOME of CONCENTRATIONCAMP CONDITIONING....into slavery....and why the Middle EAST is still to this day is in NON STOP CONFLICT...all 3 GOD imbecile followers areat WAR among themselves and against EARTH itself...wanting to facilitate the end of days with massive DEATH and DESTRUCTION in the nameof their fake GOD invented GARBAGE....let them KILL EACH OTHER OFF so the rest of humanity can live in PEACE and THRIVEThey can all get the FCK off this planet...and go to their HEAVEN and HELL .....HUMANS for HEALTH and WELLNESS must RID EARTH of these 3 GOD hoax DISEASES....before it's truly to late....
You send a powerful message to the Jews, Christians and Muslims their mission to eradicate infidels are not over.
Harikrish .....SAYS......You send a powerful message to the Jews, Christians and Muslims their mission to eradicate infidels are not over.
????????????????????.......................??????????????????????????..............................................??????????????????????????????? >>>>>>
WoA = "The TRUTH" ........throughout the AGES the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH God inventing Parasite VAMPIRES have wreaked havoc...death and
destruction in the name of their IDIOT GOD HOAX invention....
.....................WHY doesn't the JEW GOD just show up and teach his pathetic human creation a lesson for inventing other GODS ?
.....................WHY doesn't the JESUS boy wonder GOD come back to his flock of FOOLS and show them the WAY to HEAVEN ?
.....................WHY doesn't the ALLAH God like just appear and rid EARTH of all the infidels ....???...to busy with his HAREM ?
...........the TRUTH about the 3 GOD STOOGES invented by angry worthless tribal parasites desperate for IDENTITY in a remote desert !
...........all 3 GODS....#1 the JEW GOD...#2 the JESUS Joke...#3 the ALLAH invention.....all 3 ready for the TOILET....ready....F L U S H ...!
Yes flush these 3 pathetic Comic Book GOD hoaxes down the TOILET....it's where SHT belongs....along with their Comic Book Torah - Bible - Koran
VOMIT.....all down the TOILET....
Imagine a world without these 3 STOOGE GODS and the Parasite VAMPIRE followers that use them as tools and scapegoats to commit all manner
of atrocities for POWER and CONTROL over the masses of HUMAN ASSES....
Imagine a time going forward when someone says JESUS and the response is WHO ? and ultimately.....SO WHAT...i have better things to do then
think or discuss some idiotic boy GOD hoax of a long GONE era when humans were truly STUPID and would easily be hypnotized to believe this
CRAP.....and the same response goes with the JEW and ALLAH GOD hoax stories....FORGOTTEN...and the stuff of children's Mythology for
entertainment...like ZEUS and ODIN are today !
Imagine in the near future when all of the GODS are rotting on some dusty shelf in a decaying library....GOD ? what is that the children of the
near future would ask...and the reply WILL BE...oh, they were Comic Book characters of another time...just silly stories by very ignorant humans
of the time.....
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@WisdomofAges
If the three Gods you rebuke couldn't help you, all you have left is therapy for your condition.Harikrish .....SAYS......You send a powerful message to the Jews, Christians and Muslims their mission to eradicate infidels are not over.????????????????????.......................??????????????????????????..............................................??????????????????????????????? >>>>>>WoA = "The TRUTH" ........throughout the AGES the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH God inventing Parasite VAMPIRES have wreaked havoc...death anddestruction in the name of their IDIOT GOD HOAX invention.........................WHY doesn't the JEW GOD just show up and teach his pathetic human creation a lesson for inventing other GODS ?.....................WHY doesn't the JESUS boy wonder GOD come back to his flock of FOOLS and show them the WAY to HEAVEN ?.....................WHY doesn't the ALLAH God like just appear and rid EARTH of all the infidels ....???...to busy with his HAREM ?...........the TRUTH about the 3 GOD STOOGES invented by angry worthless tribal parasites desperate for IDENTITY in a remote desert !...........all 3 GODS....#1 the JEW GOD...#2 the JESUS Joke...#3 the ALLAH invention.....all 3 ready for the TOILET....ready....F L U S H ...!Yes flush these 3 pathetic Comic Book GOD hoaxes down the TOILET....it's where SHT belongs....along with their Comic Book Torah - Bible - KoranVOMIT.....all down the TOILET....Imagine a world without these 3 STOOGE GODS and the Parasite VAMPIRE followers that use them as tools and scapegoats to commit all mannerof atrocities for POWER and CONTROL over the masses of HUMAN ASSES....Imagine a time going forward when someone says JESUS and the response is WHO ? and ultimately.....SO WHAT...i have better things to do thenthink or discuss some idiotic boy GOD hoax of a long GONE era when humans were truly STUPID and would easily be hypnotized to believe thisCRAP.....and the same response goes with the JEW and ALLAH GOD hoax stories....FORGOTTEN...and the stuff of children's Mythology forentertainment...like ZEUS and ODIN are today !Imagine in the near future when all of the GODS are rotting on some dusty shelf in a decaying library....GOD ? what is that the children of thenear future would ask...and the reply WILL BE...oh, they were Comic Book characters of another time...just silly stories by very ignorant humansof the time.....
Have you you tried the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? You can go there to get your head slapped for free.
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@Harikrish
If the three Gods you rebuke couldn't help you, all you have left is therapy for your condition.
Have you you tried the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? You can go there to get your head slapped for free.
???????????????........WoA = the TRUTH....Harikrish.....once again can ONLY THREATEN all who do not agree with his GOD hypnosis PSYCHOSIS
..........................typical response of the Parasite infected VAMPIRES of the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD CULTS....always ready to CONDEMN....
this is what they are programmed to do....assimilate with FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE....the weakest most pathetic slaves of Comic Book
GOD characters on EARTH....
As the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GODS fade into the FORGOTTEN as have thousands of other human invented GODS over time....a new AWARENESS begins...
One that has more in common with FAR EAST SPIRITUALITIES....like Hindu - Jainism - Buddha - Krishna - and many other MINDFUL oriented practices...all of which are NON VIOLENT and NON MIND / LIFE CONTROLLING
The Abrahamic GODS are a DISGRACE to everything on EARTH....they totally disregard all other beliefs and all 3 use VIOLENCE as tools for
CONTROL....all 3 are based on VIOLENCE and OPPRESSION...all 3 deserve the TOILET...and to be FORGOTTEN and THEY ARE NOW....
all 3 are being TRASHED...seen as utterly USELESS...UTTERLY STUPID....just like the FOOLS that PREACH them.....
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@WisdomofAges
--> @HarikrishReplyIf the three Gods you rebuke couldn't help you, all you have left is therapy for your condition.Have you you tried the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? You can go there to get your head slapped for free.???????????????........WoA = the TRUTH....Harikrish.....once again can ONLY THREATEN all who do not agree with his GOD hypnosis PSYCHOSIS..........................typical response of the Parasite infected VAMPIRES of the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD CULTS....always ready to CONDEMN....this is what they are programmed to do....assimilate with FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE....the weakest most pathetic slaves of Comic BookGOD characters on EARTH....As the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GODS fade into the FORGOTTEN as have thousands of other human invented GODS over time....a new AWARENESS begins...One that has more in common with FAR EAST SPIRITUALITIES....like Hindu - Jainism - Buddha - Krishna - and many other MINDFUL oriented practices...all of which are NON VIOLENT and NON MIND / LIFE CONTROLLINGThe Abrahamic GODS are a DISGRACE to everything on EARTH....they totally disregard all other beliefs and all 3 use VIOLENCE as tools forCONTROL....all 3 are based on VIOLENCE and OPPRESSION...all 3 deserve the TOILET...and to be FORGOTTEN and THEY ARE NOW....all 3 are being TRASHED...seen as utterly USELESS...UTTERLY STUPID....just like the FOOLS that PREACH them.....
Have you considered getting your head slapped for free at the Harikrish Spiritual Shaming Detox Centre? Success rate is 100%
18 days later
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@Deb-8-a-bull
.......New WORLD News.........every since the elimination of the Abrahamic GODS to Comic Book Mythology in 2022 the Middle East has had
an unprecedented surge in new infrastructure and cooperation among the up and coming generations....never before has there been such
unity and harmony among the people of this region where some of earliest and advanced cultures flourished 6 - 8 thousand years ago...
More excitement is building as researchers are discovering more and more amazing artifacts and information on these amazing ancient
civilizations...
As the older generations DIE off and take their horrifically OBSOLETE and OPPRESSIVE Comic Book GODS and DOGMA
to the grave with them... a revitalization of the region has occurred in place of the CONFLICT - FEAR - VIOLENCE....which
dominated the region for 5000 years...
These are truly EPIC TIMES as all of HUMANITY has trashed the Abrahamic GOD construct for POWER and CONTROL of the MINDS
and LIVES of BILLIONS....now that humanity is FREE from the parasite VAMPIRE bondage founded by the defunct Roman Catholic Church
and the MUSLIM Allah God garbage....it's like a perpetual spring time all over the planet...
Live WELL - LONG and PROSPER is the new MANTRA of humanity....a true breath of fresh air now that the HELL on EARTH Abrahamic
JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD are meaningless Mythology and Comic Books for entertainment only...