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@zedvictor4
Insulated within your bubble with your crew.

But constantly ridden with angst and paranoia.

Fearful of others who might look and sound different, who might burst your bubble.

That age worn superiority complex.

Worry not.

For the bleached blond demi-god of German descent and his Slovenian Queen shall be your salvation.

Immigrants all.


Though all immigrants are equal.

Some immigrants are more equal than others.

I see another attempt to slander, now specifically mentioning the Aryan race. Apparently not wanting public charges and people who won't assimilate is somehow wrong. That seems rather racist of you to paint non-Aryans as being likely to be public charges who will reject our culture.
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If they are on net providing more labour at a lower cost then they're not a public charge. If anything, the conservative argument is that we should forgo certain economic gains in order to preserve a certain culture, and as a kind of indirect welfare for the native working class.

The fact is, if they are going to take welfare money, they will be a public charge. People we let in to do menial labor won't make a lot of money and will qualify for welfare programs. I would say we should prohibit them from accepting any social assistance for 5-10 years after entry.

It is a form of protectionism for the native working class, yes.
Keep in mind, the conservative movement is only partially about economics. There is also the entire social aspect. We support gun rights, free speech, and others. The immigrants we are letting in do not appreciate and share those values. I don't know your specific thoughts on those, but that will be a consequence of your dream of borderless America.
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The cost of accommodating cultures without proper assimilation is extremely high. Hospitals and Schools are shutting down in sanctuary cities because they can't afford the extra staff to speak Spanish. Housing and infrastructure can't be built fast enough. Law enforcement can't explain the local laws or the constitution to the cultural enclaves, and that has a huge social cost. More unassimilated migrants make the problem worse, not better, and there's not enough money to fix the problem, especially when the only capital coming in from most of the migrants are their bare hands.
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It's their inability to read what is written I find so sad and it's universal to the "Pretends"
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The fact is, if they are going to take welfare money, they will be a public charge. People we let in to do menial labor won't make a lot of money and will qualify for welfare programs. I would say we should prohibit them from accepting any social assistance for 5-10 years after entry.
And lets legalise slavery rather than the pseudo slavery we are forced to accept now. 


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And lets legalise slavery rather than the pseudo slavery we are forced to accept now. 

Or just let in high-skill immigrants that will make good wages and won't cost us money in welfare.
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That won't make billions for the 1%.
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That won't make billions for the 1%.

Two things:

1. High-skill immigrants will lead technology advances that will make them money.
2. I will not screw over our culture and social safety net for business owners to make a quick buck.
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Your culture and social safety net only exist for business owners to make many quick bucks.
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Your culture and social safety net only exist for business owners to make many quick bucks.

Not really. If it were true that the social safety net was for business owners, then why do all of you liberals support expanding it? Are you corporate shills?
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Where have you seen liberals screeching the conservative prayer to expand corporate welfare?
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As I asked you before.

Who's culture is "our culture".

I think that you are referring to the assumed culture within your bubble.

And I never mentioned Aryans. Just the bleached blond demi-god of German descent.

And furthermore, I would suggest that you look up the term "Aryan" and find out what it actually represents.
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Where have you seen liberals screeching the conservative prayer to expand corporate welfare?

Now you are shifting this to be only about corporate welfare, when I began by saying 'social safety net'. They are expanding the social safety net by many measures, most specifically, government-run healthcare.

In terms of corporate welfare, look no further than Obama.
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The culture of our country, yes.

In terms of what Hitler called the Aryan race, it was pale, blond, blue-eyed strong Germans. Basically what you said.
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You're the softy crying about welfare as all right wingers do.
You just ignore the FACT that the rich receive orders of greater welfare than the poor do, they also take magnitudes of resources greater than all people.

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Well, I am in favor of reducing welfare, but I also want people who have actually paid into it to get it (ie not an immigrant who got here two weeks ago).

If rich people are getting welfare(I have seen them take advantage of rent control), that is a problem.
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You are terribly ignorant. The uber wealthy are paid multi billions of dollars out of the taxpayers purse every year. Wake up and smell the corruption.
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And lets legalise slavery rather than the pseudo slavery we are forced to accept now. 

Slavery is already legal. It's called taxation.
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You are terribly ignorant. The uber wealthy are paid multi billions of dollars out of the taxpayers purse every year. Wake up and smell the corruption.

Are you talking about businesses getting subsidies/bailouts?
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Well if you can't be bothered to look it up.

The term Aryan actually refers to swarthy, dark haired people of Indo- Iranian descent.

Certainly not the German demi-god or his Slovenian queen.

And so, what is the "culture of your country". 

Does it predate white settlers for instance?

Or is it representative of the immigrant based country that the U.S. is?.... Therefore multi-cultural.

What is the culture inside your bubble?
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I still can't believe the UK voted socialism out of their country.
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The British people realised that socialism although almost utopian in principle, is nonetheless an unworkable dream.

People and therefore society function in a particularly selfish way, that just isn't compatible with socialism. 

It is how we have evolved and consequently how we have become conditioned as a species.

All attempts at true socialism either fail or are maintained only through the application of dictatorial force.
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It used to mean Indo- Iranian.

"The word Aryan was consequently used even more restrictively – and even less in keeping with its Indo-Iranian origins – to mean "Germanic", "Nordic" or Northern Europeans.[16]"
However, in the 18th and 19th centuries, it began to change in meaning. I was referring to the currently understood meaning.

Our culture began when our country began, sir. We weren't an immigrant country, because immigration assumes you are moving from one country to another, not tribal wilderness.

noun

  1. the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country.

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I still can't believe the UK voted socialism out of their country.

<3

I never thought I would say this, but...I'm proud of the Brits. Did something good for once.

Now onto Brexit!!!!

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Apparently, even UK can't trust politicians with perfect hair.
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Yep the land known as the U.S.A. was formerly a foreign country to all who settled there, ergo immigrants.

Previously the land known as the U.S.A. was inhabited by culturally others. So in you eyes are these people now culturally irrelevant?

Now I shouldn't have to teach you American history, but there is an obvious 170 year gap between first colony and foundation of the U.S.A. So are the people who settled The land known as the U.S.A. between 1607 and 1776 culturally irrelevant also?

So when precisely did your bit of culture start in your particular bubble?

And are you also trying to say that all those who settled the U.S.A after 1776 were not immigrants?


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It was actually a colony for quite some time. So, to say that everyone who came here was an immigrant is essentially a lie. It was a British colony and British people that moved there weren't immigrating. But those are just semantics.

Before America became a country, there were people here. They had a backwards culture and constantly killed each other. We civilized this place and brought our culture and made a country.

The 1607-1776 people MADE the country, so...... not really irrelevant.

It was influenced greatly by people before 1776, but after that it became American culture. Native American culture has very little to no influence on the values we have, so their culture is irrelevant, while the settlers' is not.

I never said that people who settled after 1776 weren't immigrants. The whole point of this was to say that not all immigrants are the same and that we have had periods in which we didn't accept large amounts of immigrants for long periods as we have since the 1960s.

Tell me, how are 17th and 18th century British colonists or even 19th century Irish immigrants the same as 21st century Mexican immigrants? Are their cultures the same? Are their incentives for coming to our country the exact same? Are their relative education levels to native citizens the same? Are they learning our language at the exact same rates? Are they assimilating the same? Are America's social, economic, and political climates the exact same as 200-300 years ago?

Likely none of these are the same between groups, so of course not all immigrants are equal and not all will assimilate as well.
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Well I suppose it's quite obvious what sort of person you are.

And from your very roundabout way of getting your message across, it would seem that despite your purported convictions you are nonetheless  a tad embarrassed to come right out with it.

If you're truly proud of what you are, just be honest and say it.

But that won't alter the fact that other than the original inhabitants of the land now known as the U.S.A. you are as much an immigrant descendant as every one else is.

And consequently, your specific bit of culture is only relevant to your specific little bubble.

I recently travelled the breadth of The Southern U.S.A. from California to Georgia and the ethnic mix of people that I came across was far more diverse than I was expecting and it would have to be said that in those regions people of Northern European descent did not make up the majority.

I would therefore suggest that you might find, not just the World but also the U.S.A. outside of your bubble to be quite a scary place to live.

One World, One People.
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And another one.