I don't want to lynch Ragnar. I don't agree with his plan but at least he's trying to come up with one.
Virt's Mafia [Night 1]
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@Barney
As you so aptly pointed out earlier, in a game where most roles are vanillas, you are as good as any.
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@drafterman
Why pie instead of water? Pie may be a bit busy now, but in general he seems to post quite a bit in the games he's involved in, whereas water is more the type to post once or twice a day phase if your lucky.
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@drafterman
His plan is opportunistic. Who do you propose lynching instead?
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@David
when did drafter change his vote from pie to warren?
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@Lunatic
I counted up the number of posts at the time and Pie had the least.
And I was on warren initially; Virt simply hasn't updated the VC
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@warren42
Pie
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@David
Unvote. VTL Pumpkin Pie
Vote Count
Ragnar (3/6): speed, warren, lunatic <-- L3
pie (2/6): oro, drafterman
Disc (1/6): Ragnar
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@Lunatic
His kill tonight is pointless, he's most definitely gonna be thr night kill. But I would suggest he kill water based on consistent inactivity.
Irony: Lynch Ragnar for suggesting we kill Water for (previous) inactivity, only to then kill Water for the reasons Ragnar suggested (while ignoring greater inactivity from Pie, as pointed out by Drafter). Of course, Lunatic also suggested we kill Water for the reason Ragnar suggested, so if the logic is consistent we should also kill Lunatic for being the same type of scum as Ragnar.
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@drafterman
Why though? He has come on and said he'll be more active in the meantime. Is it inactivity, and if so why do you not expect him to make good on his word, or is it because he was allegedly lurking?
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@Barney
My issue isn't with the "lynch inactives" it was with the "lynch the last person to show up"
Don't like Lunatic's reasoning either but I don't think they're analogous.
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@Barney
To be honest I have other reasons for wanting to lynch you, mostly based on me WIFOM'ing around what I think speed is doing. I am basically just trusting speed and his intentions on this one.
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@warren42
Because in a game of lies I don't take people on their word?
Also, none of the reasons he gave for his inactivity will change in the near future.
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@Lunatic
it would be a mistake to trust speed.
we seem to be assuming that he made some kind of rookie mistake by outing as vig but my read of speed is that he is much smarter and more careful than that kind of move. I strongly doubt that speed is vig but that does not inform the question of scum.
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@oromagi
He's dead wither way, so it doesn't really matter.
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@oromagi
If he's not the vig he's still more likely to be town
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@oromagi
Yeah, I might sound a bit like Khaos mage here, but I don't buy that any rookie mistake was made. I think Speed is very clever and has a bigger reason for voting ragnar than what he is putting on. Idk could be wrong, but either way, it makes much more sense for speed to be town claiming vig than mafia, no matter what a 1 for 1 trade is pretty hurtful, even if the trade is the vig. I think he caught onto something with ragnar.we seem to be assuming that he made some kind of rookie mistake by outing as vig but my read of speed is that he is much smarter and more careful than that kind of move. I strongly doubt that speed is vig but that does not inform the question of scum.
Idk probably wrong, but he's the only town read I have, and I trust speed as a smart guy so we will see where this goes.
Supa is probably town too, but not because of the whole "wording of the PM thing".
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@warren42
Why's that?If he's not the vig he's still more likely to be town
Wait, is Disc in the game?
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@warren42
The irony holds, even if the behaviors aren't a perfect match.
Note that he is not suggesting killing the least active person, but the last person to show up (even when they have greater activity than another, and as Drafter pointed out, that other is unlikely to suddenly have a bunch more time for this when they need to be focused on finals).
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@drafterman
Wait, is Disc in the game?
No, but he posted in the game, so I made a joke about him being an open target... I would say he is the vote not to lynch option.
Okay, just looking over the DP again, looking at posting and voting behaviors. Nothing really strong but here are my reads:
Town
me
Speed
Supa
Null
Ragnar
Pie
Luna
oro
Warren
Lean Scum
Press
Water
Grey
I wouldn't mind lynching among my bottom 3
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@Lunatic
I went over this earlier with... Supa I think?
It's risky to do as mafia. The vig will either counterclaim (1 for 1) or, if they were smarter, shoot him in the night. So the 1 for 1 is the best case scenario.
As town it's also risky because he runs the risk of both of those happening still while simultaneously outing the vig. However, it has the potential benefit that his claim draws the NK to him as a vanilla, who has less utility than the vig.
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@drafterman
If you think Supa is town you should know I am town due to my exchange with Supa, essentially confirming Supa as town.
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@Greyparrot
That's fair.
Town
me
Speed
Supa
Null
Grey
Ragnar
Pie
Luna
oro
Warren
Lean Scum
Press
Water
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@oromagi
Talk to me about your speed read please.