What do you guys think of the American election's candidates so far?

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Yeah, but you mentioned how Iowa is incredibly white, and I said that those who win Iowa typically win the primary.
True, but you also need to win super tuesday. If black people have 0% support for you, it is pretty much impossible to do. So if he got like 80% support in the 1st three states that might create enough momentum to carry him. But winning by a few points doesn't seem likely to overcome the disdain that people of color seem to have for him. 

Ok, so your issue is with enforcement and not necessarily the war on drugs?
The 2 are heavily intertwined and can't really be separated. The war on drugs, on it's own, is stupid and counter productive. It does literally none of things it is supposed to do. The enforcement of the war on drugs is also super problematic and is a pretty good example of institutionalized racism. 
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True, but you also need to win super tuesday. If black people have 0% support for you, it is pretty much impossible to do. So if he got like 80% support in the 1st three states that might create enough momentum to carry him. But winning by a few points doesn't seem likely to overcome the disdain that people of color seem to have for him. 

I still have little hope for him. But one of the biggest things people in Nevada are looking for is a candidate who can win, so winning a big primary like Iowa could give him a necessary boost.

The 2 are heavily intertwined and can't really be separated. The war on drugs, on it's own, is stupid and counter productive. It does literally none of things it is supposed to do. The enforcement of the war on drugs is also super problematic and is a pretty good example of institutionalized racism. 

I don't know. It is a pretty good cause to try to prevent people from doing drugs and ruining their lives. I don't think it should be a felony, though, as that also kind of ruins their life. Selling drugs on the other hand should be harshly punished. I don't know about institutionalized racism. Even in majority black precincts, you get roughly the same results.
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I still have little hope for him. But one of the biggest things people in Nevada are looking for is a candidate who can win, so winning a big primary like Iowa could give him a necessary boost.\
I sort of agree. He might do well in Iowa. He is average is up by 5.7 points in Iowa. But he is averaging 7.3 in nevada, well behind the top tier candidates. these polls are a bit outdated though. 

But even if he managed to win in the 1st 3 states, which isn't all that likely, he would still get slaughtered in south carolina and on super tuesday. He would need to win big in the 1st three to have a chance. And that isn't in the cards at the moment. 

I don't know. It is a pretty good cause to try to prevent people from doing drugs and ruining their lives. I don't think it should be a felony, though, as that also kind of ruins their life. Selling drugs on the other hand should be harshly punished.
I think we kind of agree on this. Putting people in jail for using drugs doesn't help. When they get out, their lives are in tatters and they go right back to drugs to escape the shit of their shattered life. Often putting people in jail for minor offense just makes them more likely to use drugs, not less. The war on drugs is a complete failure. 

I don't know about institutionalized racism. Even in majority black precincts, you get roughly the same results.
Here is an article I found. The issue is that the people who make the drug policies, the DA's who decide who to charge and much of the police who enforce it are white. Enforcement usually focuses on poor areas, especially those with black communities while almost entirely ignoring middle class areas. Joe Biden was very much involved in setting up the war on drugs. And to this day he still thinks he did a great job. 

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Get an education. Fascists are right wing psychopaths.
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Get an education. Fascists are right wing psychopaths.

Hitler was a socialist, change my mind
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i like bernies ideas, i'd vote for pete just to piss off the religious right
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You didn't use a mind to reach your conclusion, so no need.
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If anything, Fascists are centrist. Fascists are economically left-wing and socially right-wing. However, they are also huge collectivists, so I would argue that they are more left-wing.
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You didn't use a mind to reach your conclusion, so no need.

Nice assumption.

Nazi Party = Nationals Socialist Party

Supported government takeover of industry

Support the end of Jewish capitalist.
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Well done
That makes Nth Korea a democracy.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
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I don't CARE what Wikipedia says. Use your brain and actually examine their POLICIES. Their POLICIES are almost exclusively LEFT-WING.

Read the Nazi platform.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
Now, tell me: is welfare a left-wing or right-wing policy?
Communilization, eh? Seems rather lefty. Leased at low cost? Is that a PRICE CONTROL?

:O

Imagine my shock! The National Socialist party was rather....socialist!
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Fascism is  far-right,
Get over it righty.
I suppose you have a god and other fantasies as well, is it nice to imagine whatever you like and decide it's real?

How do you account for democracy in Nth Korea?
Just claiming something doesn't make it real in the real world.
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Well done
That makes Nth Korea a democracy.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a party?

Even if it is, does it support government takeover of industry? 

Answer is yes...therefore it’s socialist
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If you believe everything you read off of Wikipedia you’re delusional

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Oooh, some tension is building up...
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Yeah the fascists will tell any lies to not be called fascists.
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I suppose you have a god and other fantasies as well, is it nice to imagine whatever you like and decide it's real?
Please cite when I have ever mentioned religion when making an argument. Also, you just employ your blatant belief perseverance and commit odious appeals to authority(if you could call Wikipedia that) fallacies.

How about you actually examine what I am saying instead of blindly parroting what Wikipedia says, eh?

How do you account for democracy in Nth Korea?
Just claiming something doesn't make it real in the real world.
I agree, just claiming something doesn't make it real. I provided evidence, while you just claim whatever fits your narrative and expect people to believe it. I would appreciate it if you would practice what you preach instead of providing these pathetic excuses for arguments.

Just a side note, pretty sure that isn't how you spell 'North'.
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The wingnut doesn't ken abbreviation, surprise, surprise.
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Yes, please keep proving that you lack the ability to respond to actual points. No wonder you never debate on this site. 
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Why do you people insist on claiming that claims are evidence?
Show me this evidence you claim to have provided.
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If you believe everything you read off of Wikipedia you’re delusional
Only on Wikipedia can they equate socialism with the GOP.
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Read directly off the Nazi platform

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Those are nazi claims. Provide the evidence.
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Start a debate on this
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They created the National Socialist People's Welfare branch of their government. They followed through on the claim to expand welfare....
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Oh not that wikipedia that you dismiss.
Added: 11.27.19 12:39PM
I don't CARE what Wikipedia says.

How very droll.

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We know far, far too little about any of them. All we can see is a procession of carefully crafted public personas. In the Trump era we have a right to know about every skeleton in their closet.
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That kind of talk will get you censored by Facebook.
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I can bring up other sources. The fact is, you just showed a slur label written on Wikipedia. Unless you are saying that the National Socialist People's Welfare didn't exist, I don't see what your point is.

Opinionated slur vs saying that something exists

Hmmm....must be same thing, right?

But, if you aren't capable of determining the difference, this article discusses the robust Nazi welfare state.