would it be so terrible if we were a bit more like Canada

Author: PaulVerliane

Posts

Total: 38
PaulVerliane
PaulVerliane's avatar
Debates: 26
Posts: 152
0
2
7
PaulVerliane's avatar
PaulVerliane
0
2
7
-->
@TheDredPriateRoberts
Antifa doesn't run Canada the liberals and socialists do now antifa are anarch communists, and you good sir are a fucking moron Canada has three major parties that vie for national leadership: the right-of-center Conservatives, the centrist Liberals, and the social democratic New Democratic Party. Of the three, the Liberals  are by far the most popular and also the most politically anomalous. Canada became a mature democracy in 1918, when women got the vote. Since then, there have been 29 elections, of which the Liberals have won 19. They’ve governed Canada for roughly 70 percent of the last century. Politically, the Liberals are chameleon act, shifting quickly from Bill Clinton–like centrism to social democratic measures that would make Senator Bernie Sanders proud. The New Democrats, who have never held power at a national level, complain that the Liberals steal all their best ideas, most famously single-payer health care, which began as an NDP initiative in Saskatchewan but became national under a Liberal government.  
There is a considerable body of political science in Canada that argues that the Liberal Party are doomed to be supplanted by a more forthrightly left-wing party. University of British Columbia graduate student David Moscrop summed up this school of thought in a column in the National Post earlier last July  when he wrote that he’s “confident that the decline of the Liberal party is the new normal. Canadians should get used to a world in which Liberal governments are a thing of the past.” In support of this contention, Moscrop cited “Duverger’s law” (named after the French academic Maurice Duverger) which “states that a plurality electoral system with single-member districts (like Canada’s first-past-the-post system) will tend towards a two-party system (split along left/right political lines).”
By Duverger’s Law, Canadian politics should resemble the United States, with two major parties clearly divided along left/right lines. But Canada remains strangely defiant of this so-called law. https://newrepublic.com/article/123186/why-canadas-liberal-party-so-dominant

PaulVerliane
PaulVerliane's avatar
Debates: 26
Posts: 152
0
2
7
PaulVerliane's avatar
PaulVerliane
0
2
7
-->
@TheDredPriateRoberts
what you include maters not you are a fucking moron For this reason, I would contend that liberals have to take seriously left critics like Mitropoulos. Yet, there are flaws in her argument. First off, she situates Antifa too much in what she refers to as “a left communist milieu,” which I think is not quite accurate. After all, the main publication—if there is something in such a decentered movement—for Antifas seems to be It’s Going Down, a clearly anarchist and anti-authoritarian website. When I observe the actions of Antifa, I am reminded of my own experiences in the political punk scene of the 1980s—when it was not a faith in communism that fueled this small political movement that embraced chaos in the streets, but rather anarchism (and, yes, we had right-wing “skinhead” enemies who often identified as fascist and who some of us prepared to confront in violent battle). (See Jamie Thomson’s Guardian piece “No Fascist USA!: How hardcore punk fuels the Anti Fa movement.”) Indeed, if any of those Antifa activists today considered their deepest historical lineage, it would likely start with the Spanish anarchists in 1937 who were fighting for the republic against the foes of fascists organized by Franco, those who felt betrayed by their Stalinist allies in that cause. I’d say this is where we first see anti-fascism emerging as a coherent movement bounded to ideas outside the singular notion of communism. The anarchist tradition opposes authoritarianism on both sides of the political spectrum, left or right.https://democracyjournal.org/alcove/the-forgotten-roots-of-antifa/
PaulVerliane
PaulVerliane's avatar
Debates: 26
Posts: 152
0
2
7
PaulVerliane's avatar
PaulVerliane
0
2
7
An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another. Two types of association fallacies are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association.

do you drink water? because so did hitler
ResurgetExFavilla
ResurgetExFavilla's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 627
3
2
7
ResurgetExFavilla's avatar
ResurgetExFavilla
3
2
7
-->
@PaulVerliane
for 3000 years of recorded and not so recorded history it was impossible to make wine in the uk

"The weather has created some logistical challenges, though.
With yields as much as 50 percent greater than expected, producers were forced to scramble to find enough space to store the unanticipated windfall."


This is not true. Britain has a history of winemaking going back to the Romans. They were making wine as recently as the early 20th century. What mortally wounded the British wine industry was liberalization of trade with Portugal, which had much lower costs associated with winemaking due to lessened disease pressure and a longer growing season. Local winemakers were out-competed, and the final nail was put into the coffin by WWI, when British vineyards were ripped out en masse to plant staple crops for the war effort. Home brewers resurrected the British wine industry in Southern England and Wales in the 1930s, and now we can all finally enjoy a nice, chilled glass of Chapel Down.

Global warming is certainly affecting winemaking, but the idea that it was impossible to grow wine in England until recently is a prevalent myth. It is still somewhat difficult in bad years, hence the high price tag of nonetheless lovely British bubbly.
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,023
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@ResurgetExFavilla
Wine is a botanist's specialty.

427 days later

Jasmine
Jasmine's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 126
0
3
6
Jasmine's avatar
Jasmine
0
3
6
No, it would be the same, as I live in Canada.
Polytheist-Witch
Polytheist-Witch's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 4,188
3
3
6
Polytheist-Witch's avatar
Polytheist-Witch
3
3
6
Why does America have to be Canada. If you want Canada move there. 
ethang5
ethang5's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 5,875
3
3
6
ethang5's avatar
ethang5
3
3
6

Why does America have to be Canada. If you want Canada move there.
Exactly.

People think the nation would collapse if lIBERALS ran the show, but in Canada over the last 100 years liberals have ruled for abut 70 of those 100, look at the amazing job they did! 
How would Canada have done if it's neighbor was not America? Every democratic run big city in America is on the verge of collapse but is being propped up by the federal system. Sort of the same dynamic with Canada.