Office Mafia DP3

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@drafterman
  • You keep saying you voted Supa before he slipped, even after Lunatic showed that you unvoted before he slipped
  • Post 161 you said "The case against you is that everyone else is town." But you don't know that everyone else is town?
  • The ordeal of post 175-178, which was a clear misrepresentation of what Lunatic said
  • "You said I proved both wagons were full of sheep. That's false. And I did mind it, I even said so. When Wylted stopped being a sheep, making most of the votes not sheep, I was fully convinced." But you did accuse him of it...maybe not outright but you did
  • No, I'm using the fact that absolutely nothing has changed in AROSE behavior yet your FOS is magically gone. Reads can change, for reasons. But there is no reason for you to have changed you read, yet it is magically gone. This implies it was ingenuine to begin with." What changed is that he found a read in you...

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@oromagi
Drafter is 3/5 lol
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@Speedrace
1. The implication of Lunatics statement is that I ONLY vote after Supas slip. That is false. I voted for him before the slip, TO LYNCH, with a clear FOS. The only reason I even unvoted was, ultimately because of a mod mistake. You have to take that into account.
2. That was mostly tongue in cheek directed at Lunatic because, as you noted, there is no point in me trying to convince Lunatic of my case.
3. Ill review that later.
4. Accuse him of what?
5. He dropped his fos of AROSE before today. I questioned him about it last DP.






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UNVOTE

Yeah I really think y'all are both town. I don't know why y'all are at each other's throats but y'all's lynches are incredibly weak :/

And for #4, accused him of hypocrisy

I'm leaning towards VTNL because I have no strong suspicion of anybody
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@Speedrace
  • You keep saying you voted Supa before he slipped, even after Lunatic showed that you unvoted before he slipped
  • Post 161 you said "The case against you is that everyone else is town." But you don't know that everyone else is town?
  • The ordeal of post 175-178, which was a clear misrepresentation of what Lunatic said
  • "You said I proved both wagons were full of sheep. That's false. And I did mind it, I even said so. When Wylted stopped being a sheep, making most of the votes not sheep, I was fully convinced." But you did accuse him of it...maybe not outright but you did
  • No, I'm using the fact that absolutely nothing has changed in AROSE behavior yet your FOS is magically gone. Reads can change, for reasons. But there is no reason for you to have changed you read, yet it is magically gone. This implies it was ingenuine to begin with." What changed is that he found a read in you...

very useful.  I agree that the drafter/GP alliance's only argument vs. Lunatic seems to be that lunatic suspects drafter.  The focus on Lunatic seems less persuasive in intent and more designed to generate a less readible DP,  perhaps meant to obscure some incriminating detail.
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@oromagi
Lol, this as part for the course on DDO. This is a blast from the past.
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@drafterman
explain
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@oromagi
What you describe is basically what happened in your typical game on debate.org, where me and Lunatic come from.
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@oromagi
That's why I lean drafter and would vote him if I were forced to vote. I just feel that all the cases so far are weak
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I've played with TUF a few times on DDO- once as a two man scum team that won if I remember right.  I can't remember if I played vs. you there  (maybe some other username?) but your reputation nevertheless precedes you here.
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@drafterman
ok. That gives me plenty of time to decide
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@Speedrace
Well, if DP1 is any indication, my weak cases are better than Lunatics.
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@drafterman
Lol
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@drafterman
How dead set are you on the you vs me thing? I've already said I am not, even though I have a behaviorally read on you. I've got other reads though, maybe one of them aligns with yours. What do you think about testing airmax's hated claim? He has barely posted anything which doesn't seem like him. He has 0 scum reads. His only read has been SA DP1, and his read was that he thought his role indicated that SA was scum because of scranton VS non scranton. Not only was he wrong about the theme but that wasn't even SA's real role. I don't see how that convinced him of the lynch. Also his reads seem lazy, and he doesn't have a whole lot of reason not to be posting. It's his weekend I know he has time to read this. 

The fact that press is still alive means scum aren't worried about cop results. Final scum is probably godfather, which makes airmax's innocent result seem less convincing now that I think about it. I definitely think airmax is smart enough have thought of toby being hated townie as a fake claim. Also isn't Toby one of the only claimed characters that isn't part of the core office group because he is in human resources? the rest of the known town claims including yours seem to be under Michael. 

I am totally willing to look into other options, but you are forcing my hand because your case feels like OMGUS I don't know you too OMGUS. 

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Well, if DP1 is any indication, my weak cases are better than Lunatics.
AROSE was never lynched, so that's not necessarily true. And under the assumption that was a bus to earn you town cred, it doesn't prove anything.

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Anyone else have thoughts on tested airmaxs hated claim?
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@Lunatic
There is literally only one mafia left.
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So you are that 100% convinced it is me over the very little evidence you have posted eh? And if I die and am town who do you suspect?
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Town or scum, drafter being unwilling to look into any other options as potential scum, means he pretty much deserves to die.. If he's this dead set that I am scum over practically nothing... Well I think he just wants to be put out of his misery.
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@Lunatic
Pay attention. There is only one mafia left, so if it's me it isn't AROSE meaning you were wrong and your cases are bad. If they shouldn't have listened to your weak case  DP1, why should they listen to it now?
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There is literally only one mafia left.
Let's remember that when Supa misposted in DP2 he spoke to "guys" plural.  Perhaps the plural was including Warren but perhaps there is some kind of recruitment going on.
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@oromagi
Oh geeze, not this again.

Mafia who aren't killed dont leave the PM

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@drafterman
Town are wrong sometimes. We don't have inside information, we don't know anything with 100% certainty. 
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@oromagi
He was probably also talking to his dead teamates.
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Dude, it was a joke. Even speed recognized that
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Drafterman also trying to point me out as the only one being wrong, is mis-leading. Yes, I started the lynch, and tried convincing people to follow me but it was their decisions to follow me. I probably could have been swayed off the AROSE vote with even minimal effort on his part to sway me or someone offering up a better alternative. This whole game the only ones trying to actually lead a lynch for their own reasons have been you or me.
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Thoughts on testing airmax's hated claim?
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thoughts on testing airmax's hated claim?
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@Lunatic
Lol, you want to lynch airmax just to test his claim? But then that completely defeats the purpose of his claim...
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@Lunatic
Can you show me where people hate his Toby Flenderson claim?