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@airmax1227
How do you not have a scum read yet?
Office Mafia DP3
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658
Either max hasn't read the last two day phases, or I think I over-estimated his ability to play forum mafia these days based on the live games.
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@Lunatic
Ouch
You want a case against Lunatic? Okay.
His argument is depends on my double busing both of my.mafia team mates DP1 and DP2, which would be a unique event in the entire history of mafia here or on DDO.
Only an idiot would believe that happened.
He's not an idiot.
Ergo he's lying and is scum.
QED
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@airmax1227
What do you mean he is scum hunting? One of the main reasons I feel drafter is scummy this games is because he doesn't appear to be scum hunting, like at all. His read on SA was pretty garbage and he himself admitted early on that the case on SA was weak. He was one of the driving forces for the lynch however, and nothing about SA's behavior changed since drafter originally said the case was weak to when he lynched him. He made several statements that made it look like a bus, indicating he should get town cred for the lynch in DP2, and that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it.Drafter - Behavior reads town to me as he is clearly scum hunting, and he was immediately on SA and Supa lynches and actively pursuing them. I don't see how a mafia bus can be argued in those cases.
Lunatic - I was probably going to pressure him hard and make a case against him in DP2. I did not like the 11th hour switch to Arose on what I saw as minimal behavioral evidence, and then when SA flipped scum, it made Lunatic appear even more scummy.However, at this point, I think both of those are justified as (perhaps misguided) townish play. Lunatic's agitation at this point, reads more to me like a frustrated town player, than scum trying to avoid a lynch.
I don't see how the switch to AROSE wasn't scummy. You yourself admitted that there wasn't much on SA. In fact most of the reason you wanted to lynch SA was based on his weak character claim. You've now stated because you thought it was scranton vs non scranton based on you being a hated townie. I expected a bigger conviction out of your role based on how convinced you seem by the role distinction.
I feel your play is lazy in this game too. I get your schedule is a bit more limiting in regards to how often you are able to post and play, so most of this I am attributing to lack of reading and passion for this game. Also if there is only one scum left, the innocent on you helps your case a lot. Press and you can't both be scum, and I don't see a reason for him to claim you innocent if he is scum. Other option is you could be godfather or lawyer, but the case for drafter seems much stronger. Also the "11th hour switch" argument really doesn't seem like you. If I had any inkling that you were scum, this is probably one of the bigger ones. You are usually more objective than to cast suspicion on the player who "got it wrong" dp1. I think you know me enough to know that it would be pretty stupid or not in my playstyle to purposelly hardcore try to avoid a lynch on my scum buddy if I was mafia.
This town read, while correct, feels weak and manufactured, or lazy. I am hoping it's the latter. If drafter flips innocent I will have to look into this more.
Don't buy drafter's "double bus" thing. He had no choice but to vote supa DP2, that was far from a bus. Supa scum slipped. He was casting doubt on the supa lynch before that lol.
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@Lunatic
Reference the post where I said this.and that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it.
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@Lunatic
I vote Supa BEFORE he slipped. Lol.
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@Speedrace
Ouch
Btw, Max is easily one of my best friends. My statement is more casting doubt on his reads, or saying they are more lazy than expected.
Apparently I predicted Supa would slip and PREbussed him. Lol
And the reason why I haven't done a typical wall of text argument is because it's the weekend and in laws are in town.
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@drafterman
and that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it.Reference the post where I said this.
Implying the reasons were weak: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2985/office-mafia-day-1?page=7
"I'm still on the fence about whether it's sufficient to lynch Sir. I'm also at a show tonight so will be away for much of tonight."
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2985/office-mafia-day-1?page=18 You revoted him a few pages later when he was at 5/7 already because you thought he was fluctuating between acting nooby and not, but then undermined that decision by saying:
However, part of me feels it would be hypocritical to FOS him because of that, if only because I was treated the same way when I first started playing
You were never that confident in the SA lynch until I started suggesting a different lynch. You were forced to double down to make your bus effective.
Right
drafterman
Greyparrot
Wylted
Wrong
Lunatic
AROSE
Still deciding to be right or wrong
PressF
Oromagi
Speedrace
Airmax1227
I love a good 1v1
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@Lunatic
Exactly. Nothing there saying "that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it."
Lie more.
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@drafterman
So drafter, what happened between this:
Well, I did caution you to look at the company with you on that lynch. I agree that the scummiest person on that wagon was Supa.**VTL Supa**
and this:
I have some issues with the Supa lynch but I can’t get into right now.
Last Day phase?
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@drafterman
Exactly. Nothing there saying "that anyone not on the self admitted weak lynch was scummy for de-railing it."Lie more.
If you don't think there is sufficient reason for voting for someone, that's pretty weak. Don't get caught up on semantics to avoid the fact that you showed you didn't feel all that confident about the lynch until it seemed the lynch would gain you town cred and "look bad" for me for not being on it,
I like drafters right wrong analysis
Also would like to note he never mentioned what those issues are, from my re reading of DP2. Unless I missed it which is entirely possible. A few posts later he thinks better of it, and gets on the wagon. Note this is all after supas scum slip.
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@airmax1227
I know your off today! No excuses for inactivity!
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@Lunatic
Lol, "don't look at the meaning of my words!"If you don't think there is sufficient reason for voting for someone, that's pretty weak. Don't get caught up on semantics to avoid the fact that you showed you didn't feel all that confident about the lynch until it seemed the lynch would gain you town cred and "look bad" for me for not being on it,
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@drafterman
I just showed you two posts of yours showing that you yourself were unsure about him, including the one where you ultimately voted him and stayed on him until the end. You went from not knowing if his noob mistake was worthy of a lynch based on your own experiences, to indicating that people not participating on that lynch were scummy...
I've also said, several times, is that it was Wylted's analysis (the existence of which you ignore), that helped me get over that hump. After that, I was fairly sure of Sir's guilt.
He can't pass up on the NK forever. What Is lunatic's plan for when I track him to the kill or oro watches him kill me? This delayed of the game is just sillu
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@Lunatic
I just showed you two posts of yours showing that you yourself were unsure about him, including the one where you ultimately voted him and stayed on him until the end. You went from not knowing if his noob mistake was worthy of a lynch based on your own experiences, to indicating that people not participating on that lynch were scummy...
And?
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@Wylted
Wylted statements like these from you are another thing that's scummy. Your intentionally being manipulative by trying to imply that I am 100% scum as if I have any idea what the scum night actions are. Manipulation is a scummy thing to do. That said, I am starting to pull away from the idea that you are scum, and leaning more into your play is very, very bad. Airmax's recent post places him higher on the scum list, IMO.
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@drafterman
I just showed you two posts of yours showing that you yourself were unsure about him, including the one where you ultimately voted him and stayed on him until the end. You went from not knowing if his noob mistake was worthy of a lynch based on your own experiences, to indicating that people not participating on that lynch were scummy...And?
And you set that lynch up for town cred in both DP1 and 2, town cred for a lynch you weren't all that sure of. As if you knew SA would be town 100% and were ready to use that against anyone who didn't vote for him. Only way you would have known he was town like that is if you were scum and bussing.
And again, AROSE is magically not scum anymore.
So, Lunatic wants people to believe that he is so on the nose here, without admitting that he was completely and utterly wrong in DP1.
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@Lunatic
And you set that lynch up for town cred in both DP1 and 2,
Yes, and?
town cred for a lynch you weren't all that sure of.
You keep leaving out the part where I was sure of it. Why do you leave out those parts?
As if you knew SA would be town 100%
He wasn't town. He was scum.
and were ready to use that against anyone who didn't vote for him. Only way you would have known he was town like that is if you were scum and bussing.
????
So Sir is secretly Town, and I knew that and, as scum, bussed town?
?!?!?!
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@drafterman
And again, AROSE is magically not scum anymore.So, Lunatic wants people to believe that he is so on the nose here, without admitting that he was completely and utterly wrong in DP1.
I am not 100% about anything. I admitted I was wrong on DP1, and was happy to be wrong. I stand behind my reasons for not being on that lynch. That lynch however did have a lot of behavioral evidence to read into.
AROSE was a better lynch than SA at the time, no matter how you spin it. He said he wasn't going to participate in the DP because it was too long, and he came on in the sign ups claiming to do a gambit. Since DP1, he's been making more of an effort, and I have scummier targets. Even in DP1 I never said he was 100% scum. Funny mentioning that 5D's game, in that game you got on me for having tunnel vision, and now 7 years later, I am not tunnel visioned enough for you lol.
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@Lunatic
I never mentioned a 5Ds game.
More lies.