Unisex Bathrooms In High School

Author: ethang5 6 years ago

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ResurgetExFavilla

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ResurgetExFavilla

09.10.2018 05:03AM

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@ethang5

Because women and men are different. Just in my personal life, I can't think of a single woman who would want unisex bathrooms. Some of them, whom I know through work, family, and as friends, get annoyed if they find out that a man has even used their restroom. This isn't a generational thing, it's pretty across the board. When girls go into their bathroom to wash up, they like a space without pressure, where they can know that it's okay to look a bit rough or not up to the nines without a boy seeing them and judging them for it. It's kind of complicated, but in a lot of ways it acts as 'neutral territory' in this constant silent battle between women who are often in a state of polite competition that is difficult for men to understand. You can't just take something like human behavior and sentiment and apply a cost-benefit analysis to it. It's informed by a person's memories, culture, and other deep-seated sentiments that will always take precedence over something like utilitarianism or idealistic moral prescriptions.

Is this a complaint that you get from women whom you know? Are they bent out of shape because there aren't enough men in their bathrooms?

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ethang5

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09.10.2018 05:06AM

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@ResurgetExFavilla

.....wow.

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Vader

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09.12.2018 01:06AM

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@Smithereens

lol

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09.23.2018 04:02PM

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@ethang5

> The answer seems to be, "no reason at all".

Conservative parents can't handle the idea of letting a trans person use the bathroom let alone abolishing the concept of gendered bathrooms. That's why it won't happen - parents would complain too much.

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ethang5

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09.23.2018 06:04PM

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So it's more a trans thing, than a simple gender thing?

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09.24.2018 12:58AM

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@ethang5

I don't represent them, I was just pointing out the levels of inability which are held fast by social ignorance. Some may realize that unisex includes trans people, but the general argument against trans is a fear of a male pervert around women and children. With unisex that social barrier is gone, thus potentially increasing the odds of an assault. Even if the argument is frivolous it still applies to unisex compared to just letting passing trans people use the bathroom of their choice.

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nmvarco

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nmvarco

11.06.2018 02:12AM

Not having unisex bathrooms is not a form of segregation or discrimination. It’s simply that the two genders work differently and they don’t necessarily want to be near each other while going to the bathroom.

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11.07.2018 09:17PM

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@nmvarco

given the physical comparison of urinals to toilets, urinals must be much cheaper to make and maintain, so at the very least a separate room for those would make sense. i'd have to be pretty desperate to use a public toilet.

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11.13.2018 03:15AM

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@ethang5

I don't know. We should do it. Then you can have a bunch of teenage boys jacking off to every girl sound they hear in the bathroom with them. Girls will have to have a silence code when entering bathrooms lol. Be quiet or some horny teen will jack off to their voice. It takes very little to set a horny ass teen off. Man... that would be so awkward. I don't know why any women would ask for equality in the bathroom... unless they are aspiring future porn stars. This all besides the point it will be much easier for sick men to rape / sexually abuse women. In any case... it isn't illegal, at least in California i'm sure, that says a guy can't use women's bathroom or vice versa. It's just frowned upon.

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Christen

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05.28.2019 10:13PM

Do separate bathrooms teach kids that we see boys and girls as not equal?

Gender equality is a lie. We're all different, not equal. I don't see males and females as equals, nor will I treat them as such. I treat a man like a man, and a woman like a woman. That's why we have separate bathrooms. Not only that, but, as Outplayz said, there will likely be sexual harassment if we did have same-sex bathrooms. Sure, some countries and states may have them, but not all of them do.

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Alec

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Alec

05.30.2019 09:21PM

I would let buildings decide for themselves if they want to have gender neutral bathrooms or not. State's rights applied to buildings.

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zedvictor4

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zedvictor4

06.03.2019 07:17AM

Contrived social hang-ups will persist for as long as inconsistent conditioning persists..

It's no good expecting people to accept something without question, when they haven't been conditioned to behave in that way.

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Club

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06.15.2019 01:59AM

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@ethang5

"Thank you for your truthful and realistic answer. Can you imagine, in a convo about why not unisex bathrooms in highschool, no one mentions the reality of why there aren't?"

Ok besides several grammatical mistakes, there are a few more holes in your case.

"no one mention the reality of why there aren't?"

Great way of saying

"You're right and I'm just salty that I can't defend that"

We've had no issue with having non unisex bathroom for ages, why should we change? You just provide points of why we can't, not why we should do it. To be honest, not to offend anyone, it's getting pretty crazy in the 21st century where you attack non unisex bathrooms for apparently "segregating" the two sexes. I'm not offended at all that there's A MALE AND A FEMALE RESTROOM! Who the heck cares.

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06.18.2019 12:42AM

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@ethang5

I agree with Mister_Man, boys are going through puberty, and some random idiots are going to take advantage of the fact that they share the same bathrooms.

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06.18.2019 01:07AM

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@Gatorade

Ethang5 doesn't live here any more.

He's here, tho': https://www.debate.org/forums/

where,it seems, he is much happier with his bffs willow and hari.

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06.18.2019 01:29AM

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He migrated to DDO?

whaaaaatttt????

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06.18.2019 01:45AM

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I think not so much 'migrated to' as 'never left'.

I can't be bothered to look into it deeply. I was surprised DDO is still alive!

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#48

855h01E

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855h01E

10.30.2019 04:36PM

Unisex bathrooms should not be a thing because people should feel confident enough to go in a bathroom that matches thier gender. Transgender people don't need special attention.

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ethang5

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10.31.2019 12:40AM

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Transgender people don't need special attention.

What did you mean by this?

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LordLuke

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10.31.2019 01:24AM

How in the world was sexual abuse not everyone's instant answer?!?

Doesn't everyone know we separated bathrooms by one's sex because of sex (intercourse and all of its urges) itself?

With 100% certainty, there wasn't any patriarchy that said they didn't want to watch girls use the bathroom! That would've been sexy! It is 100% asinine that any non-feminist (meaning you aren't ideologically stupid on this subject) didn't use that answer and that they attempted to bring up any other answer.

It is the obvious.

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#51

ethang5

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10.31.2019 03:41PM

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I don't think it's all that obvious to drafterman, ResurgetExFavilla, or Casual_Leftist.

there wasn't any patriarchy that said they didn't want to watch girls use the bathroom! That would've been sexy!

Could patriarchy really be the reason we don't have unisex bathrooms in high schools?

If our society happened to be a matriarchy, would our bathrooms be unisex?

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LordLuke

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10.31.2019 05:55PM

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@ethang5

First of all, I was simply stating it's absurd that such didn't, not that they did.

Could patriarchy really be the reason we don't have unisex bathrooms in high schools?

And I never blamed the patriarchy for unisex bathrooms. I had no idea it was such a real thing, or had some political relation, if you're talking those little one-person bathrooms. So, as far as I know, actually implementing unisex bathrooms was your idea.

And I never said we ought to blame a matriarchy for it, either. Not everything has to be "matriarchy" and "patriarchy," you know.

Patriarchies are males acting in the interest of males, and matriarchies are females for females. No man necessarily wouldn't like to share a bathroom with girls, but when men and women both think for each other and society itself, they realize it's not a good idea to share bathrooms. Society thought for society.

So nobody said sexually-separated bathrooms were for males or for females. And nobody said it was just a male's idea or just a girl's idea to do this.

In reality, it wasn't a patriarchy OR a matriarchy who thought of this idea; it was merely society, a society thinking for society. Separated bathrooms protect both males and females from corruption. It goes both ways.

I don't, in fact, believe America has ever been ruled by or is still being ruled by "a patriarchy," and it's an absurd idea that it ever was.

America's been a society thinking for society, and everybody was happy where they belonged. It wasn't just males thinking for just males, or females thinking for females, either.

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ethang5

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10.31.2019 06:39PM

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First of all, I was simply stating it's absurd that such didn't, not that they did.

I know.

And I never blamed the patriarchy for unisex bathrooms.

I know.

...actually implementing unisex bathrooms was your idea.

It wasn't.... but OK.

And I never said we ought to blame a matriarchy for it, either.

I know.

Not everything has to be "matriarchy" and "patriarchy," you know.

I know.

Patriarchies are males acting in the interest of males, and matriarchies are females for females.

Untrue..... but OK.

...everybody was happy where they belonged.

LGBT, Blacks, Jews, and Women may have a slightly different opinion, ....but OK.

But thanks for denying every point that was not mentioned in my post to you.

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LordLuke

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10.31.2019 10:11PM

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@ethang5

But thanks for denying every point that was not mentioned in my post to you.

What're you talking about though? I thought I answered them all.

What points? Might you explain?

I thought I responded to everything I thought you were saying.

You asked what would happen under patriarchies and matriarchies, or what might've caused what, and I responded with the answer of no matriarchies and no patriarchies, but a society. What did I forget?

I know.

You said you "know" to the point that was supposed to be about why non-feminists brought up other arguments. I don't get why you brought them up, if we both know how I already recognized them and thought they were absurd that they argued such.

It wasn't.... but OK.

For clarity, all I was saying was it could've been, for all I know. Just showing that I've only heard of the concept before, and not of the idea of an actual implementation. You don't have to say "I know" to this.

LGBT, Blacks, Jews, and Women may have a slightly different opinion, ....but OK.

I wasn't trying to go that deep for the record.

Untrue..... but OK.

I can see how that definition might be debatable, but it seemed pretty good given the topic.

I also pointed out that, even if you take out the "in the interest of males" part, I still believe it wasn't the work of a patriarchy ("And nobody said it was just a male's idea or just a girl's idea to do this.").

Males holding power but not using it for themselves isn't a patriarchy. A patriarchy must:
a. Be ruled by males.

b. Serve the interest of Males.

If a "patriarchy" that breaks the second rule, it doesn't matter who's ruling; they aren't using the power for themselves.

If a "patriarchy" uses its power for the needs of society or women, then it couldn't be called a patriarchy.

You can't have a patriarchy for women.

And really, if the interest of males are being served, then that means they're either ruling or forcing that to happen, or that those who are ruling are perfectly happy with such.

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ethang5

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11.01.2019 06:25AM

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What're you talking about though? I thought I answered them all.
What points? Might you explain?

You addressed things I didn't say. There is no need for that, so I just answered, "I know".

You said, "I never blamed the patriarchy for unisex bathrooms." I never said you did.

You said, "I never said we ought to blame a matriarchy for it, either." I never said you did.

You said, "Not everything has to be "matriarchy" and "patriarchy," you know.." I never said it did.

You don't have to say "I know" to this.

I didn't. I said "It wasn't, ....but OK"

Patriarchy is from the words Patron (matron) and hierarchy. It means that status and authority in a society is held by males. It has nothing to do with how that authority is used.

Societies are either matriarchal, patriarchal, or a mixture of both. Societies are composed of men and women.

There are people who see no problem with unisex bathrooms being in high school. Are they wrong?

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LordLuke

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11.01.2019 02:19PM

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@ethang5

So my last few posts were unnecessary.

I didn't. I said "It wasn't, ....but OK"

I was trying to say you don't have to say "I know" to what I was writing at that moment of time, I wasn't saying that you shouldn't have said "I know" the last time. I was trying to say you don't really have to respond on that part of my post I was just writing the next time you responded.

And I guess I couldn't tell what you were saying, so I just interpreted it in the way I could most easily see.

I wasn't sure what this

I don't think it's all that obvious to drafterman, ResurgetExFavilla, or Casual_Leftist.

there wasn't any patriarchy that said they didn't want to watch girls use the bathroom! That would've been sexy!

Could patriarchy really be the reason we don't have unisex bathrooms in high schools?

If our society happened to be a matriarchy, would our bathrooms be unisex?

" meant or why it was directed to me.

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11.01.2019 04:45PM

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@ethang5

The reason there are unisex bathrooms in the first place is that transgender people are creating protests about it (at least in my area). If you define yourself as a guy then go in the Men's room. If you call yourself a woman, go to the women's bathroom. There is no need for unisex bathrooms for all the soft people who can't man-up and go to the bathroom.

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ethang5

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11.01.2019 05:34PM

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The reason there are unisex bathrooms in the first place is that transgender people are creating protests about it (at least in my area).

What area would that be? San Francisco?

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Dr.Franklin

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Dr.Franklin

11.01.2019 09:47PM

it HAS TO BE SEPERATE,

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Christen

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11.01.2019 11:18PM

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@ethang5

If you allow people to use whatever bathroom they choose, that could create problems. Guys could go into the girls' bathroom and do all sorts of things.

A unisex bathroom allows people to do just that; go into a bathroom and harass the opposite sex.