Dark Crystal Mafia Day Phase 1

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@drafterman
Same about fake claim, did you see my thing about him being cult?

Basically I was browsing the wiki and saw cult and thought he could possibly be it based on his soft claims, and THEN he accused you of being it. I don't think that would pop into two people's heads independently like that

And how in any way is dreamfaster and to change the momentum of the game? Also, it has literally nothing to do with people's roles OR town confirming people

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@Speedrace
I'm literally communicating with them after death. If I die and they start to limit town or I get with a NK action, but failed, I tell this person who is town
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@Speedrace
That town confirmes at least 2 people... and limits scum pool
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@Vader
That makes no sense. You don't get any extra information after you die, so how will anything you say be confirmed? And if an NK fails, you aren't told who did it

That role is basically a mailman like I gave Pie last game except it's when you die, but it's still equally as useless
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@Speedrace
Yes I do. I can communicate with that person after death, if I have leads, I can project them
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@Speedrace
I simply don't think there is an alignment changing mechanic in this game. I feel it is too small to support such a mechanic and I'm not aware of how it would fit thematically. Is there a third party aside from the Gelflings and Skeksis?

And no, Supa's role can't confirm anyone. While alive he is just a messenger. There is nothing that prevents him from being Mafia messaging Town or Town Messaging Mafia. It would only make sense for a post-death communication role to belong to a Townie, but we'd have to kill him to confirm that part of his role, which would be redundant because he'd be confirmed by the act of killing him?

I see nothing about his role, or how he proposes to use it, that would allow him to confirm anyone else.

He says he has already chosen, but he has no confirmation of the alignment of the person he has chosen. Once he dies, if this person is Mafia, they can just lie about anything Supa tells them, not that he can tell them anything other than his own beliefs about the game, which really doesn't help us.
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If Supa's plan makes sense to anyone else, please explain it to me.
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@Vader
Does the mod give you information afterwards? If not, then your role basically allows you to talk after you die. That is useless

Besides, please explain to me

1. How that would town confirm ANYONE, if it's just your opinion it's not confirming them
2. How that changes the momentum of the game
3. What it has to do with people's roles?
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@Speedrace
Well now you say it, it is a less major role than I thought

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i don’t like Oro right now. His scum play involves a lot of lurking which is what he’s doing right. You need only look back to last game to see how active he was as town.
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@Vader
wait how is DP3 related to your role then.
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I was gonna wait to and use it for DP3 so i can communicate with confirmed power town but i guess not now
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@oromagi
What is your char?
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@ILikePie5
I have exactly one data point for him, so I can't really base any trend, nor do I know your alignment to place stock in your assessment.

I'm not sure I want to pressure anyone for more claims this DP. We already have four, all of which are pretty weak claims which has narrowed down the pool of potentially good roles for Mafia to pick from.

I'd rather settle on a lynch target. Right now, Supa as at the top of my list. His character claim and description screams fake claim to me. A mafia-sided messenger isn't unheard.

I don't mind lynching inactives on principle, but certainly not when there is even a remotely better target.
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@Vader
That makes absolutely no sense lol
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@drafterman
Id say Oro is my policy lynch based in inactivity and as a result scuminess like other games where he was scum. 

That being said I’d be willing to lynch Supa over the fact he claimed so early and the DP3 which makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Then we have two choices. I think we wait and see what the rest of the town thinks. I don't have any more of a case to make against Supa, except that last game (as Mafia) he also proposed a mind boggling incomprehensible plan as a last-ditch effort to appear like Town.
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He is lurking like 1000% more
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@drafterman
I don't think how Supa's role works is a good enough reason to off him right now

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Okay? Nothing about why I am on him has anything to do with his role.
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Also, I think we have less than a day left? So we should decide soon.

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I'm here.  I'm just working on debates & nothing in DP is popping for me.

I make no claims for cause.  Forcing claim would be anti-town.
Lynching Sup makes no sense because his claim is testable and informational.  Obviously, if Sup is lying about his ability then he plans to have his scum mate confirm him (although saying this out loud now makes it unlikely)  anybody working for town should have waited for Sup to make a choice.
anybody pressing to lynch Sup is less likely town

In the absence of any other claims or tells, I'm down with lynching anybody who has provided no data- speed and below.

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A-R-O-S-E              [p u H?] VANILLA
Supadudz               Naia       DREAMFASTER
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@oromagi
Lynching Sup makes no sense because his claim is testable and informational.Obviously, if Sup is lying about his ability then he plans to have his scum mate confirm him (although saying this out loud now makes it unlikely)  anybody working for town should have waited for Sup to make a choice.
anybody pressing to lynch Sup is less likely town
You're operating under the premise that if Supa is scum, then he is lying about his role. (And therefore if he is not lying about his role he is therefore not scum). You don't appear to have considered the case that he is a Mafia-sided messenger. In which case he will be able to prove his role, but still should be lynched.
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@drafterman
You're operating under the premise that if Supa is scum, then he is lying about his role. (And therefore if he is not lying about his role he is therefore not scum). You don't appear to have considered the case that he is a Mafia-sided messenger. In which case he will be able to prove his role, but still should be lynched.

I made no such presumption I just wanted to give him a chance to make that mistake. 
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@drafterman
what can you tell us about your character and role?
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@oromagi
Okay, so then you're holding out for some sort of smoking gun evidence before deciding to lynch him.

I'm saying there is enough to lynch him, even if he is telling the truth about his role.

There are three cases here:

1. He is lying about his role, no one confirms him.
2. He is lying about his role, he has his scum mate fake-confirm him.
3. He isn't lying about his role, he messages a town who (if living) confirms him.

If #1, we lynch him. But we have no way of distinguishing between #2 or #3 without just lynching him anyway. Not to mention that he is Mafia in #1 and #2 and could be either Mafia or Town in #3.

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@oromagi
I'm the Podlings.
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@oromagi
Oh, apparently he doesn't have to say.

He's both a group and not multiple characters.
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Finally, thx bro