THERE ARE NO MORE DEBATES IN DEBATE.ORG!

Author: Club

Posts

Total: 80
#31
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
I know how HTTPS works, DDO has theirs with Amazon but it's not activating at all unless you go via the google search result of DDO.
If you knew how HTTPS works you would know:

- You don’t “have” https with someone
- A third party can’t “activate” https.
- Amazon is the signer of the certificate for DDO, probably because of virtual hosting
- certificates dont get “activated” either.
- accessing the same site from a google link, and direct has no difference in https or certification.

#32
crossed
crossed's avatar
Debates: 62
Posts: 516
2
2
6
crossed's avatar
crossed
2
2
6
Is that why we have recently had the flood of people come to debate art
#33
crossed
crossed's avatar
Debates: 62
Posts: 516
2
2
6
crossed's avatar
crossed
2
2
6
debate.org was absolutely mean to me. Every time i tried to create a debate. it would do the weirdest thing and say my debate has been removed by the technical support. Anyway some guy told me i had to be approved to create debates. But it is still weird.
#34
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
- accessing the same site from a google link, and direct has no difference in https or certification.

And that is a lie. You are experiencing a phishing redirect when you access it raw but the Google search result takes you straigh tot the HTTPS version. This is only experienced when there is phishing actively attempted. 
#35
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
You are laughing at a guy who knows exactly what HTTPS does and doesn't do, you are laughing because you are deluded into thinking I have made an error.

I know that Juggle or whoever owns DDO can see the data transmitted on DDO, I am talking about hijacking, phishing and many other things like taking cookies from the site you just came from, onto DDO, and getting your data via that.

You do not know what can happen but you're so eager to defend the honour of DDO for no reason other than to make me feel shit. I don't feel shit. YYW was ranting about HTTPS on DDO and I told him similar things to what you're telling me now, I know what HTTPS doesn't stop. 

On a HTTP website, your ISP reads every single letter you type, button you press etc, whereas on a HTTPS website they need to ask permission, legally, to get it decrypted etc if law enforcement want to see it. It also helps that if you're on public wifi, it's not possible to hack you while you're on a genuine, HTTPS website, even if they can track the webstie you're on, they can't see what you're typing or clicking within it, just the page transfers.

You will find that DDO is under attack and has a brutal phishing happening to it right now. Every single time you are on it, it is redirecting you somewhere, getting data from the website you just came from, then instantaneously re-routing you onto the DDO website that itelf is perhaps 'genuine' but may have layers on top of what it normally is based on the middleman hacking that may continue throughout your browsing session while the cookie is tagging allong or whatever it's injected.

If you would use developer panel and watch what happens when you go on DDO by any means other than searching it on Google or perhaps Bing and clicking it, you'd see the difference that I am talking about. The funniest part of all this is I don't need to justify a single fucking thing to you, you are just talking out of your ass to make it look like I am talking out of mine, which is only resulting in you and others being harmed while laughing at me.
#36
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
And that is a lie. You are experiencing a phishing redirect when you access it raw but the Google search result takes you straigh tot the HTTPS version. This is only experienced when there is phishing actively attempted. 
Yeah non of that is actually true. Phishing redirects don’t work like that, and you appear to be just making stuff up. You clearly have no knowledge or idea how this technology works. 


#37
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
you clearly have no idea.
#38
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
You don’t appear to know anything about SSL or how certificates work: as I covered.

The idea that typing “debate.org” into your web browser, will instigate a phishing redirect - but google does not - is literally one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.

When you type that name into your browser; it looks up the IP address for that domain name with a third party; which is them interrogated, returns a https link which is then used to pull the website. When you look that same thing up from google; it does exactly the same thing. 

The only thing you appear to be good at in this context, is shouting about how much you know, whilst getting almost every technical detail wrong.



But by all means explain how this magic phishing redirect attempt works. Lol.



#39
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
Ddo itself is compromised. until you understand that you wont understand why the phosbing is being done by the websige itself.

At best this was done to catch the identity of adspam bot users, at worst this is used to track and exploit us and was designed by those types.
#40
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
A compromised site is normally where hackers have gained access to the site’s data or are able to change or manipulate it.

Phishing is when another site impersonates another in order for you to enter your personal information.

If the site is compromised, phishing is largely irrelevant.
 
“Phishing redirects” are when you have a link that looks like it goes to one site, but actually goes to a different one because the text and
the content of a hyperlink can be different. When a site redirects you to another, it’s generally obvious (as that is all managed by your browser) and the http response from the server which has generally little knowledge of whether it was clicked via link or entered directly.


#41
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
yeah, the DDO website you are seeing resembles its former self, however all it is designed to do is to gain information on you, test your user and pass on other websites and expose you to the government for your opinions on politics and law.
#42
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
So the hackers gained access to all the information and copied debate.org to a different domain, then hacked the global DNS system to make it look like the same site - but forgot to copy a certificate: all in order to gain chess to the information they had at the start when they hacked the site? I 

#43
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
No, the owners of DDO are themselves corrupt and it was bought out by those hackers. The owners clearly didn't care for DDO anymore and the new owners realised keeping things in tact and having DDO appear to run well still was a good thing for them to front whatever they are fronting.
#44
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
So debate.org was purchased by hackers - but the domain owners haven’t changed hands, so they can use it to steal the very same information they already bought? Even though they own the website, they’re using it to phish users of the same website: but they forgot to install an intermediate certificate file which they would have been able to get with the site?

This is literally nonsense you pulled out of your butthole. 

#45
Vader
Vader's avatar
Debates: 30
Posts: 14,984
5
8
11
Vader's avatar
Vader
5
8
11
-->
@Ramshutu
"Do anything for clout, do anything for clout"
#46
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
-->
@Vader
If you want a musical reference that accurately reflects the adamant denial of reality in the face of objective facts that everyone can see:

“It wasn’t me”

Is probably more accurate!

#47
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
They have still got the certificate with Amazon. It still works. They opt-out of it by default when you access the site normally and make it redirect through a very shady path that I won't go into because it's criminal to reveal the ins and outs of.

#48
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
They have still got the certificate with Amazon. It still works. They opt-out of it by default when you access the site normally and make it redirect through a very shady path that I won't go into because it's criminal to reveal the ins and outs of.

- They have their own certificate - it’s valid - and the certificate is used to prove the site is who it claims
- Their certificate is signed by Amazon, because the site is hosted virtually by amazon.
- you can’t “opt out” of certificate
- not having a valid certificate doesn’t give hackers any special access or information.
- if a link directs you to debate.org and you access a site via typing in debate.org they are loaded by your browser identically
- if hackers have access to the site, they don’t need any special certificate, phishing, etc: they already have all your information.


I’m genuinely interested now; why are you sitting here professing to know things, whilst it’s clear from what you’re talking about you don’t actually know how any of it works. Do you not realize your own profound ignorance? Or do you just not care?






#49
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
The real question is why you get such a hardon from proving me wrong and making me feel shit beyond just the proving wrong, even when defending a website that's dangerous to use and I was doing my duty warning people. You are a sadistic bully out to get me, even at the sake of justice. If that wasn't your motive, you would have come in much more pleasant, agreed to avoid DDO while it is like it is, been confused that HTTPS is force turned-off and a redirect occurs by analysing the entry path using the developer panel/console and realised just how shady things are. Instead, you're nitpicking semantics, when it is blatant to everyone other than you that I fully understand what HTTPS is and don't need advice from someone who is only defending DDO for the rush of humiliating me.


#50
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
It seems to be properly directing visitors straight to the https genuine website now. This is a new thing today, for sure.

Perhaps they patched whatever was happening, I still have my doubts.
#51
TheRealNihilist
TheRealNihilist's avatar
Debates: 44
Posts: 4,920
4
9
11
TheRealNihilist's avatar
TheRealNihilist
4
9
11
-->
@Ramshutu
Spends half the paragraph talking about your supposed bullying then doesn't even care to admit he was wrong. He is basically a white socialist expecting a socialist anytime soon instead it is some random guy who is expecting people to accept his knowledge even though it is wrong

Why continue talking?


#52
TheRealNihilist
TheRealNihilist's avatar
Debates: 44
Posts: 4,920
4
9
11
TheRealNihilist's avatar
TheRealNihilist
4
9
11
-->
@bsh1
Can you please look into RM spreading false information whether it be about the topic at hand and him stating RM is bullying him without proving it?
#53
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
I am the one being bullied, not bullying.
#54
TheRealNihilist
TheRealNihilist's avatar
Debates: 44
Posts: 4,920
4
9
11
TheRealNihilist's avatar
TheRealNihilist
4
9
11
-->
@bsh1
Last comment
First use of RM= RationalMadman
Second use of RM = Ramshutu

#55
thett3
thett3's avatar
Debates: 2
Posts: 2,064
3
2
7
thett3's avatar
thett3
3
2
7
F 

#56
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
The real question is why you get such a hardon from proving me wrong and making me feel shit beyond just the proving wrong, even when defending a website that's dangerous to use and I was doing my duty warning people. You are a sadistic bully out to get me, even at the sake of justice. If that wasn't your motive, you would have come in much more pleasant, agreed to avoid DDO while it is like it is, been confused that HTTPS is force turned-off and a redirect occurs by analysing the entry path using the developer panel/console and realised just how shady things are. Instead, you're nitpicking semantics, when it is blatant to everyone other than you that I fully understand what HTTPS is and don't need advice from someone who is only defending DDO for the rush of humiliating me.
You’re spreading false information. Information you’re literally making up. Information that is untrue, and that you’re mostly pulling out of your arse with no basis in fact. You don’t appear to have any knowledge of what certificates are, how they work, or about ssl in general.

You seem to have literally no clue how this stuff works; anyone who’s even read the wiki page for ssl knows what you’re saying is untrue. Yet; you’re trying to deceive, and disinform whoever you can with false information for whatever reason.

I will always challenge charlatans peddling poorly informed bullshit as you are doing. You’re not a trustworthy source here, you’re information and advice is about as reliable as your friends telling someone they can’t get pregnant if they f**k in the shower.

- DDO is a shithole ; but the now fixed certificate issue is likely only down to lack of maintenance rather than all the random halfcocked nonsense you have invented without any justification or evidence.

- force turned of HTTPS is called “http”, and the certificates would not apply (as http doesn’t have certificates)
- the same URL cannot redirect to https or http depending on how it’s clicked
- vaguely asserting nonsense about developer panels is hilarious, as it just gives you the public facing information of the webpage content that you’re viewing.
- telling everyone all the stuff you found in vague, generic terms with no specific claims just makes you sound like an ignorant fool who is making things up using meaningless technobabble.
- the repeated errors you’ve made in basic terminology show you are very good at telling people that you understand https, but do not actually know https.


You are spreading false information; and I will always challenge people who are intentionally and unintentionally lying and misinforming others.



 
#57
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
-->
@TheRealNihilist
Why continue talking?
Online safety, hacking and the spectre of identity and information theft is something that a lot of people are terrified of. If someone who is not fully aware of the issues or the technology reads RMs ignorant, made up nonsense and views it with any semblance of credibility - it has the possibility of causing a real person real stress and has the potential - however small - of them taking this disinformation and assuming they are safe online if they take steps RM has claimed is safe which are not.

While RM is free to invent whatever ridiculous nonsense he chooses about unimportant things, such as my voting record, the nature of my debate wins, google ownership, etc: when these fabrications have the ability - however small - of actually harming people in real life, these claims have to be discredited for the nonsense they are with extreme prejudice. 





#58
TheRealNihilist
TheRealNihilist's avatar
Debates: 44
Posts: 4,920
4
9
11
TheRealNihilist's avatar
TheRealNihilist
4
9
11
-->
@Ramshutu
Why not bring this issue to bsh1?

You can only do so much but bsh1 can actually make a statement about this while also making sure people like RM who are not allowed to speak about topics which can lead to harm.

People like RM = Not qualified to use their platform helpfully as in prevent or keep harm at a minimum.




#59
Ramshutu
Ramshutu's avatar
Debates: 43
Posts: 2,768
6
9
10
Ramshutu's avatar
Ramshutu
6
9
10
-->
@TheRealNihilist
While I think there’s potential for harm enough to warrant correction: It’s probably not sufficient to warrant formal sanction. 
#60
TheRealNihilist
TheRealNihilist's avatar
Debates: 44
Posts: 4,920
4
9
11
TheRealNihilist's avatar
TheRealNihilist
4
9
11
-->
@Ramshutu
I am guessing we would have to see direct harm for something drastic to the anti-intellectual right?

Don't you think this is a broad problem where we commonly address the problem when we have no choice in the matter instead of committing to reasonable actions to avoid bad scenarios?