THERE ARE NO MORE DEBATES IN DEBATE.ORG!

Debates section in debate.org has finally glitched

The true RIP of Debate.org

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The error message says "Sorry about that. Our technicians have been notified and should have this fixed very soon."

Sure, sure. "Technicians." "Notified." "Fixed."

finally this site can be a monopoly.

Theres still discuss.fm

Yes!

UPDATE THIS IS INCORRECT

debate.org without the debate

THIS IS INCORRECT THEY FIXED IT

Huh, they werent lying

No one at DDO fixed anything. The site isn’t being updated at all.

A third party library site probably went down for a while.

It is always being uodated

By who? The owning company that no longer exists, the registrant company that no longer exists, or the new subsuming company that does something completely different, has likely written off the site for tax purposes and likely probably doesn't even know the site exists?

Why is it copyright 2019

DDO and DA are both anonymously owned at this point. The company that owns DDO used to be officially Juggle but that company itself is/was a shell. I am fairly sure it was for government harvesting of data in the first place and that Airmax1227 was a high ranking official in an extreme NSA op where severely outlandish hatespeech-outputters etc were 'handled' in ways much more than just a ban.

I am absolutely certain that either DDO itself or Airmax himself has ties to very high-up Govt. Surveillance because of some things to do with Airmax banning me and PMs between us. Something like this became a huge fiasco in a less private manner with a user named Malcolmxy who assumed like some scumbags do on createdebate, that he can just say whatever he wanted, threaten members of admin there etc... They tracked him down in no time and I am talking about speed and accuracy that is impossible without actually being tied to law enforcement yourself. I don't know the details and I don't want to, I know of the afterstory and based on what Airmax showed me he knew about me on PM, it makes absolutely no sense that that is a normal website that just happens to have expert investigation teams at hand.

Of course, then you may ask why would such a high-end project be overrun by the very types that CIA and NSA specialise in handling; pirated media and/or phishing link advertisers run by a scheme of bots.

The problem stems from the fact that the website allowed you to access it through the TOR network. If it offers anonymity, it is subject to sophisticated attack no matter what... Unless for whatever reason it had fallen out with Juggle and/or Airmax, wanted a new website to arise and arranged things to happen...

The thing is, I never understood the motive. You are far more likely to find a genuinely real-life threatening insane nutjob on a random shitposting board where you don't need to sign up than on sites like these, so by sheer probability and usage of resources, a project like this is unwise and more likely to just face your team with either intellectuals, amateurs, novices or trolls who don't really mean any harm. The problem with this is that they immediately allowed Bsh1 backend access here while on DDO he was kept at bay. This tells me that the entire site-running team is clearly different here even if the masterminds behind the overall project are pretty much the same.

Firefox has also established that it's a phishing site now, DO NOT VISIT IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE IF YOU ARE going from a website you were signed into or if you're sign into DDO sign out ASAP!!!! It is completely compromised at this point.

The only way to safely do is is with those extensions active, preferably VPN too, and to go via Google search onto it. Google screens websites and ensures you 'enter the website' without any intermediary redirecting. The website itself is HTTPS but there is something about the certificate alerting extensions I use.

my God

Copyright notices are often autogenerated.

Oh, and ignore genius boy/chicken little - the site’s intermediate SSL certificate is out of date - probably because no ones updated it.

Maybe someone should go on debate org and post an address or something just to see if any moderators are still active on that site. If they are, they will delete the personal information. If it stays up, then they are inactive.

Ignore Ramshutu, the website is going to get you hacked and exploited if you keep using it, no matter how safe he tells you to feel on it.

Hmm, really, I ddint know that

There’s no shame in not knowing; a lot of what is happening on DDO is just the inherent behaviour of a site that isn’t being maintained.

Stuff will break, come back: and it will look like the site was fixed : in reality it’s a problem with a third party library linked in that breaks - and then gets fixed later by a third party.

Take the SSL stuff, there’s a whole lot of stuff you need to keep up to date for SSL, some you can do automatically, but if you don’t keep your certificates up to date or something gets moved onto different hosts: your certificates are mostly valid, but out of date. Browsers won’t report this as it’s not a big problem, but security plugins or SSL scans will pick it up. 

It’s nothing to do with scamming as the main host name still matches, only an intermediary (likely because the intermediate host changed). This is only a problem if someone is using a sported certificate to impersonate a legit site, but given that debate.org still has the full content - that’s clearly not the case, they just haven’t updated their certificate.

If hackers had control of debate.org, and wanted your passwords - for whatever nonsense reason; they could just update the SSL, and read the password being sent. Just because the data transmitted is SSL doesn’t mean the implementation of the website can’t see what you send.

Ddo is a fake mimic of its former self. This is official, based on HTTPS certification. It has lost its legitimacy but if you by Google search of the website, Google forces a HTTPS tunnel and itself encrypts things for you in thw session. This is not going to help for long but temporarily is saving the website's integrity. Do not sign in or trust it!!!!

then tell me why when you go via google search the https works properly but when you go to the website fresh it forced unencrypted middleman reroute to you? I know why, I want to know if you do.

trust me on this, there is a dangerous thing happening when you open the website, there is a layer of coding before it appears to you.

I know how HTTPS works, DDO has theirs with Amazon but it's not activating at all unless you go via the google search result of DDO.

It sure as sh*t isn’t because google are establishing some weird encrypted tunnel lol.

SSL works between your client browser, and the site: third parties aren’t involved in the encryption. The site has a public key, you encrypt it: send it to the server - and provided that no one has the private key, no one else can read it.

Google can’t create a tunnel between you and debate.org, lol; that literally defeats one of the primary purposes of having all in the first place. At best, you send it to google, google sends it to the server - and they both get access to your unencrypted information.

You’re also very incorrect when you imply that the site can see your passwords now; that’s another lol for ignorance. The site - and any site - can pretty much see any data you transmit. This post is being encrypted, sent to dart, and the content read and parsed before being entered into a database: mike can probably see it all. 

This is his your passwords can be stolen - even though the site has https - some  store your unencrypted passwords...

The digital certificate is just a digitally signed set of information from which you can tell if the website issuing you the SSL public key matches the information held by a trust worthy third party issuing organization.

In this case, the certificate information all matches up with the website, the domain isn’t being spoofed, and the issue appears to be related to intermediate server certificates; which need to be installed on the server, and updated if the website hosting is substantially moved about. (Debate.org isn’t a single physical server - it is most likely a virtual server - which requires additional intermediate certificate information.

If the certificates aren’t installed (and you rely on some auto update mechanism) because, say, you’re not updating the website, then the information in you’re certificates will all check out, but you may have this sort of mismatching certificate error like this.

Almost all browsers do certificate checking. This is responsible for the “get me out of here!” Screen; and if you have a plug-in that performs more detailed information, you’re probably just seeing the results of the server being out of date.

Why do you see something different when you click a link via google vs direct : if it loads in something like amp; google may load the page content for you, giving the appearance that your using  googles ssl- but if you log in, you’re still sending the information to the real server.

Without knowing more information about context, or the plugin or the various scenarios, hard to say for certain other than you’re making up 85% of the stuff you’re saying.

Sure as hell isn’t google setting up a magic pipe to debate.org - because ssl doesn’t work like that.

The website is still owned by the same people, the SSL certificate is still valid and points to debate.org - though an intermediate is screwed - it still has the same 10 years of content present. It’s the same site, same owner.

The Snowden leaks that the CIA and NSA can get everything they need from you, and bypass SSL by using man in the middle attacks - which doesn’t show up as certificate errors.

If hackers wanted your data - it’s still in the site; they can just pull it from the database. If hackers wanted your passwords, they would have installed the SSL Certificate they appear to have paid for properly, and just Hoover up each log in without any plug-ins showing a problem.

Anyone with a cursory understanding of ssl, certificates and how they work, appreciates that most of what you’re saying is just made up nonsense that makes no sense.

However I applaud the way you excuse confidence whilst telling everyone the stuff you just made up is true.