"the greater good"

and yet they push hard for the electric cars, lol, yeah no special interest there I'm sure.

locally, there are advertisements for natural gas generators, so as with hydrogen cars, that would work in the same way to generate household electricity.  No ugly, expensive panels or wind turbines,

...and yet again they push hard for these things.......  Follow the money.

Also how are we supposed to stop the predicted fossil fuel increases in China, India, and Africa...all of which are experiencing their own industrial revolutions requiring massive amounts of fossil fuels but their usage is magnified by their relatively much larger populations than the USA...at least 5 times more people in those emerging economies than those living in the USA and Europe combined....

Do we just docilely accept the damage these countries are inevitably going to do to the planet while we ride our bicycles in the snow munching on soyburgers?

I was looking at that graph and noticed something neat. China currently has 2 times the CO2 output of the USA, and is on track for 3x CO2 output within your lifetime.

Even if USA went to "zero" CO2, the planet is already fu*@!ed.

If you are all in on climate change destroying the planet, we should already be at war with India and others.

Are you willing to put 5 billion people in prison for destroying your planet?

There are strategies that you can use to compensate for their variability.

What kinds of strategies?

Individual consumers can do almost nothing to "stop" pollution.

Maybe not, but we can plant trees, clean up trash, clean up litter, throw out garbage, avoid hoarding useless items for years, try to live a minimalist lifestyle, and keep our homes as clean as we reasonably can. That doesn't necessarily "stop" pollution, but it does drastically reduce it.

(3) Plain paper, aluminum and glass can replace plastic in 90+% of consumer packaging.  But this is NOT the consumer's responsibility.

I'm against banning plastic because plastic is easy, cheap, and versatile.

Furthermore, how does plastic cause climate change? Plastic isn't a fossil fuel.

Should everyone stop going to church because that doesn't stop murderers from slaughtering innocents?

Yes, everyone should stop going to church not only because it doesn't stop murderers but also because it's a waste of time and money and they could be doing much better things with their lives as opposed to worshipping their "god" for the sake of going to this magical fantasy land called "heaven".

Have you ever heard of the "free-rider problem"?

Who are the ones free-riding here? It can't be the producers because they have to put in work to produce things using energy. It can't be the consumers either because they usually have to pay for things, not free-ride.

Just beautiful generators?  Is this really a quibble about aesthetics?

Are you suggesting MONEY = EVIL?

China and India are clearly free-riding by increasing Fossil fuel consumption while the USA decreases.

What are you going to do about those free-riders?

What we should be doing is what Outplayz suggested.

Just beautiful generators?  Is this really a quibble about aesthetics?

they can be installed in basements, their footprint is a fraction of solar panels, they don't require rare metals that are mined in China, nor do they require the special and extensive wiring and other support devices solar needs.  Quibble?  yeah ok

Are you suggesting MONEY = EVIL?

not at all, 'climate change' isn't immune to the special interests and money influence no matter how some try to paint it.  I was explaining the many reasons 'climate change' sounds more like a conspiracy than factual.

Why is this devolving into a climate change topic

If you don't like what my solar panels and windmill looks like, why should I care?

there is actual evidence for vaccines, climate change is prediction/speculation, you can see the effects of disease on unvaccinated children.

If you don't like what my solar panels and windmill looks like, why should I care?

again look at how and what is needed to make solar panels (batteries) then look at what is needed for the generator, which is more environmentally friendly?  

Have you ever looked into cobalt mining?  If not that could be a real eye opener for you.

climate change is prediction/speculation

I don't see enough evidence to pay it much heed, I mean like G.P. said how are you going to stop other countries etc

Non vaccinated people are only a risk to themselves and other non vaccinated people, it's a choice.  Though i find it ironic those who want mandatory vaccination but want more people from other countries who probably aren't vaccinated.

Non vaccinated people are only a risk to themselves and other non vaccinated people, it's a choice.  Though i find it ironic those who want mandatory vaccination but want more people from other countries who probably aren't vaccinated.

Can't it be a problem for older people or some others with at risk immune systems?