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@disgusted
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Atheists explain death and afterlife?
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@janesix
You can have an intelligent discussio with him
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@Dr.Franklin
Jeffery Dhama found Jesus and repented before his execution, so by your rules, he's in Heaven.
He murdered 38 college students so, statistically, some of his victims would have been atheists, so are in hell.
Nice rules that god of yours sets.
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@janesix
Yes, your body comes from the earth, but the earth is made up of remnants from exploded stars.
What is death and what do you do when you die?,
First, death would be the end of the functioning of the human body - both the heart and brain would cease all activity. It is unclear to me whether I can consider "the self" attached to the body. To see more on what I mean, read my post about this here. I cannot answer what happens to the self after the self's body dies. I can guess. I'm someone who came close to death. After a near-death experience some 5+ years ago, my heart had stopped beating for ~20 seconds. Of course, since I'm here talking to you, I was resuscitated. During this whole time, including hours before and hours after, I have absolutely no memory, and thus those hours of my life are just empty. It's as though I had a break in my life.
Death may just mean one is nothing, no longer sentient, conscious, alive. Or, if the self is somehow a non-biological/material entity that occupies the body, well, then it could mean an after-life I suppose. I would not know. Perhaps "the self" is not made of matter, maybe dark matter or something.
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@Wizofoz
Wrong, physcho murderers don't go to heaven
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@Wizofoz
So they say.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
Interesting,
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@Dr.Franklin
No? Is murder an unforgivable sin? Where's the substantiation for that?
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@ludofl3x
yes
hell or VERY HARD pergutory
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@Dr.Franklin
hell or VERY HARD pergutory
Please provide the biblical substantiation for (a) murder being unforgivable, this is clearly not what the majority of Christians think and they base that assessment on the bible and Jesus's apparent ability to absolve any and all sin just by loving him, (b) purgatory from the bible, (c) biblical passages referring the LEVELS of purgatory.
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@ludofl3x
Pergutory is simple, you try and repent and then you can go to heaven, if yu refuse hell, very simple construct. Also murder is unforgivable and breaks a very big chunk of your relationship with the Lord
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@Dr.Franklin
TO quote my favorite philosopher, without biblical substantiation for those assertions, "that's just like...your opinion, man." Purgatory isn't remotely biblical. And murder is not a special class of sin, it's just a sin, and as such, if you repent it on your deathbed sincerely, you go to heaven to love on Jesus for all eternity. Are you not a Christian? Verily I say unto thee that you shall be with me in paradise on this day or whatever the heck is in the crucifixion story. It's not "Wait, what are you on the cross for?"..."Murdered someone."..."Wow, too bad, if you'd just stolen something instead you'd totally beon the up elevator with me later."
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@ludofl3x
that's just like...your opinion, man.
It is a special class of sin, a MORTAL SIN.
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@ludofl3x
The rest of your post is merely false claims about God
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@Dr.Franklin
So you are a Roman Catholic? The support for classifying sins as mortal and venal is at best VAGUELY supported by the bible, one verse in John I think. Incidentally murder is in the same class as being gay, jerking off, or viewing porn according to the Catholic Catechism.
So you do not believe faith in Jesus can absolve every sin? I wonder how your fellow Christians see that.
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@ludofl3x
No, anyone of those things is not as serious as murder, taking away someones life or being gay
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@Dr.Franklin
The rest of your post is merely false claims about God
Please elaborate.
Purgatory isn't in the bible, dude. It's an 11th or 12th century invention put in place as human understanding of the concept of justice evolved, specifically to deal with gray areas of transgression. That word isn't in the bible at all.
And, yeah, jerking off and murder aren't the same thing. But they're both mortal sins. Hmmm...sounds like you're questioning the perfection of perfect justice. Knock it off or eventually you're going to realize that you're making better moral judgement than Jesus ever did.
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@ludofl3x
Its just nonsense
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@Dr.Franklin
Well argued, as always.
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@ludofl3x
What was it again? something about wait what are you on the cross for bs
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@Dr.Franklin
something about wait what are you on the cross for bs
Yeah, I said very clearly that's NOT what he says. Look:
Verily I say unto thee that you shall be with me in paradise on this day or whatever the heck is in the crucifixion story. It's not "Wait, what are you on the cross for?"..."Murdered someone."..."Wow, too bad, if you'd just stolen something instead you'd totally beon the up elevator with me later."
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@ludofl3x
He never murdered, the romans are evil, bad no no's all around!
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@Dr.Franklin
I'm not sure if you're intentionally being obtuse, or if you just don't realize it. Let me make it more clear: my point is that Jesus didn't ask either of the thieves on the cross to describe their lives full of sin before saying one of them would be admitted into heaven. In fact, the one guy only asks Jesus to REMEMBER him, not even to FORGIVE him, and because Jesus likes that the guy acknowledges that Jesus is innocent of the crime for which he's being crucified, Jesus gives him a pass. To be even more plain, it's extremely unlikely that the thief who Jesus decides he likes ONLY committed the sin for which he was being crucified. And Jesus DOES NOT SAY "I can get you in only if you didn't murder anyone, I can't help you there." He absolves, according to Christian doctrine everywhere, all sin, equally. So you want to jerk off? cool. Just say sorry and love Jesus and you don't have to worry about it. Want to look at child porn? Not a problem for Jesus if you're sorry. Again feel free to refute with biblical passages, but I have a sneaking suspicion you're just a garden variety ignoramus. You don't even try.
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@ludofl3x
wrong, yes he did and they repented whole hearrtly, they were minor stealers
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@Dr.Franklin
How do you know? The bible says anyone who repents is forgiven and get's into heaven. You know more than Jesus?
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