Athias was right, this is sophistry.
A claim was made, when the claim maker was asked to substantiate his claim, he ridiculously replied that asking him to support his claim meant we must believe something counter to his claim! And anything counter to his claim is on its face, illogical. He then said all claimants must support their claims!
All this while, his claim has sat unsupported.
First, we could believe the same thing, but disagree on the reason given for why it is correct. Thus a request to substantiate (say bigfoot) does not necessarily mean the one requesting support disbelieves bigfoot.
All of that is moot anyway, as your burden to provide proof of your claim has nothing to do with our beliefs about the subject of your claim.
So, the bottom line. Do you still support your claim?
"All spirituality is delusional."
If you still do, can you substantiate it?
Until you do, neither Athias or I have to support any claim or counter claim, and certainly not until we make a claim or counter claim.
Also, neither of us have claimed or implied that you are wrong, we are simply asking for why you think you are right.
If you cannot logically support your claim, we can throw it out as unsubstantiated rubbish.
@Press4
You assume because you don't know, nobody knows. Speak only for yourself.
If you consider that the Christian views God as a living, conscious, person, instead of thinking of Him as a "force" or "law" of nature, you would understand the Christian position much better.
So on our own, we cannot perceive God, but that in no way means God cannot make Himself known to us.
But more and more you will find Christians reluctant to get dragged into a "Does God Exist?" debate on every thread, because we sometimes we want to debate other things.
