Throne of Glass Mafia DP1

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@oromagi

You should have asked me in the comments of that debate though, and I will probably regret making that easy for you to hunt down his rebuttals, as I fear you may just do what he did. I altered the resolution though this time so his rebuttals aren't completely relevant. He also had an easy position to win with and still tried to act like a weasel which you will notice if you read the debate. He could not beat a legalize child porn position so he made a counter plan that involves legalizing child porn in a different way than I would legalize it. Very sad.
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@bsh1
Why did you want his character?

Only reason for a townie to hide his character that I can think of is because it helps scum look for power roles. Grey already gave his role, can't think of any reason not to give his character.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You can edit in game. I also will start doing crazy shit like making full claims when I know one other member of town is on and then editing the claim out before other members get on, until I am threatened with being banned from a game for doing so
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well, ok.  if we all feel a bit queasy about bsh shall we ask for a reason not to lynch him?

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@Discipulus_Didicit
"Not having a reason to withhold a character claim" is not "a reason to provide a character claim." Since you pressured Grey for a character claim, obviously you thought there was a reason to provide it, that it would be useful for some end. So, let me ask again: why did you want his character claim?
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thx 4 info
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@oromagi
well, ok.  if we all feel a bit queasy about bsh shall we ask for a reason not to lynch him?
I'm not queasy about it at all. A full claim might help his situation though.

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I think we can all agree, irrespective of your opinions of me, that Grey and Water are in the townpile. Mhar hasn't been active enough yet to read, but he's soft claimed, which makes me happy. Wylted, Disc, and Oro are all in my "to think about" pile, though I don't really have any firm FOSes atm. Warren and Club need to post more, as does Supa.
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Ping to be active.

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@oromagi
This is the only debate you have done where your opponent had solid ground to argue on, and you took it against a person who is mentally unstable https://www.debateart.com/debates/542

Get your shit together and start challenging yourself more. I'm sure you took the debate against me because you thought it would be easy. Please stop looking for easy debates. It will tarnish your record and reputation.
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@bsh1
About 30 hours remaining.
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Vote Count

WaterPhoenix (1/6) - SupaDudz

Bsh1 (2/6) - Wylted, oromagi

Mharman (1/6) - Club

Pleass let me know if I’ve made any errors...

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@Wylted
We already have a sizeable number of claims (soft, character, and role) this DP. Outing too much information too early is not likely to benefit town. That notwithstanding, I will not be full claiming this DP anyway. Frankly, I see no need. And yes, this post is deliberately contrarian. It warms the cockles of my debating heart.
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Thx.
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@bsh1
We already have a sizeable number of claims (soft, character, and role) this DP. Outing too much information too early is not likely to benefit town. That notwithstanding, I will not be full claiming this DP anyway. Frankly, I see no need. And yes, this post is deliberately contrarian. It warms the cockles of my debating heart.

How is this contrarian. It is pretty much conventional wisdom. 

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@Wylted
*Rolls eyes*

I mean contrarian in the sense of me not doing what you want me to do (i.e. full claiming). You know, making someone explain the joke kills the humor...
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Seeing as how 90% of this site is autistic (people who tend to be typically very literal), it is something hard to escape from. 
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I do like the joke to it plays into my previous comment about oro not challenging himself
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@Wylted
Thx for the feedback.  My view is I will never out-debate the real debaters on this site so my only real chance at King-of-the-Hill gold is to try to keep my debate count up and hope for tragedy to visit my betters.  I'm not looking for easy debates so much as informal- that lets me look like the more formal debater.  I tell myself I can work on rehabilitating my reputation after my my chance at all medals is secured or lost for good.

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Honestly, I find all this pushing for hard claims rather disconcerting. Disc's pressure on Grey, for instance, was totally unnecessary and arguable counterproductive from a town POV. Grey's role claim should have been enough to remove him from contention for a lynch for this DP at least, and should have moved him into Disc's townpile. Yet Disc's immediate reaction is to press for more information.

That boggles my mind. As Wylted and I seem to agree, it is conventional wisdom that the outing of too much data early in the game benefits scum more than town. And Disc has not--despite my questioning--articulated a positive reason for pressuring Grey. If anything, Disc's response was defensive. By defensive, I mean that Disc focused on explaining why it wouldn't hurt if Grey outed that additional information.

The defensive mindset indicated by Disc's reply to me is, I think, suggestive of a scum alignment. So, too, I think, is the role-fishing/information-hunting that does not benefit town. It's not like Grey was scum and needed to claim to clear himself. And, if Grey had outed his character, arguably mafia would have benefited more than town. I don't really see a town motivation for Disc's pressure, but I do see a scum one.

The more I think about it, the more I am wary of Disc and his play this game thus far.

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@oromagi
In that case I understand the strategy as a temporary measure. I forgot about the badges
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Wylted also feels to be information-fishing to me, and, IMO, appears to be scum-reading based on nothing. Some of that is probably OMGUS (most of us are probably psychologically inclined to suspect those who suspect us), but there is something there that feels manufactured to me. And Oro's posts have all felt oddly like fluff. They're the kind of posts that seem helpful and on-topic, but which are, on closer inspection, rather aimless. So, those three players need to be closely looked at, I think, but Disc is currently the player that is most raising my hackles.     
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I'll be back in an hour or two.

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@Wylted
yeah, I am sad to have missed out on the latest type1 chum dump- a bunch of those might have just done the trick.
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I think I like lynching Bsh1 even better after reading these posts.  I'd really like to hear from club
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I don't do the OMGUS shit. I am the idiot who does the opposite. I town read people because they town read me. I can't escape it but I try.
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@oromagi
I think I like lynching Bsh1 even better after reading these posts.  I'd really like to hear from club
Me too. It feels manufactured. 
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I wanted his character but that isn't going to happen if I am the only one asking for it so I'm moving on.

I would have at 2 votes for sure.
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@Greyparrot
I need you to get in touch with your Muslim side and lynch bsh1
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@Wylted
I'll consider it while munching on this bacon crisp.