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Increasing aggression in the Iraq-Iran war
So where was the US in this again?
I was speaking about who was the aggressor or increased tensions with US and Iran.
Tensions
Define tension or aggression. 
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So where was the US in this again?
I was speaking about who was the aggressor or increased tensions with US and Iran?
U.S was trying for a peaceful middle east, 


Define tension. 
Being aggressive
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U.S was trying for a peaceful middle east, 
Who instigated the Iran vs US conflict?
Being aggressive
How does someone be aggressive and cause tension?  
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Cuba has no nukes. Checkmate.
Sanctions solve all problems.  Try to keep up.
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Because we need a deal that's good for us. Here's an idea. They denuclearize, we remove the sanctions.
Imagine for a moment that Russia, China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and the European Union all decided that the United States was "unstable" and should "denuclearize".

They cut off all trade and say, "just get rid of your nukes and we'll play nice."

Should the United States give up their nukes and agree to international inspections and ongoing monitoring forever and ever?

Why not?
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The downing of a U.S. spy drone, the near-launch of military action against Iran and recent unclaimed attacks against nearby oil tankers in the last month have not only set off tensions in the Persian Gulf, but invoked memories of an even deadlier time in the two rivals' troubled history three decades ago when the U.S. killed nearly 300 Iranian civilians.

The U.S. and Iran have never officially fought a war but the two sides have engaged in bouts of violence since the CIA-backed coup that reinstalled Iran's monarchy [overthrowing their DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT] in 1953 and the 1979 Islamic Revolution that ousted that [CIA puppet] leadership for the current cleric-led government. [LINK]

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Imagine a world when indoctrinated socialists realize that supporting  a radical hard right theocracy country like Iran using whataboutisms as a justification is not a good idea.
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Imagine a world when indoctrinated socialists realize that supporting  a radical hard right theocracy country like Iran using whataboutisms as a justification is not a good idea.
Leap to conclusions much?

Nobody is "supporting" theocracy.

I'm simply pointing out that nearly everything "bad" you say about Iran also applies to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, India, Pakistan, China...

If you sanction one of them, you should sanction all of them.
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Whataboutism fail when you compare Theocracies to oranges.
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Whataboutism fail when you compare Theocracies to oranges.
If you refuse to explain why one country deserves sanctions and other countries do not, then you appear to be acting capriciously and without principles.
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What part of "radical right wing theocracy" do you not understand?
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What part of "radical right wing theocracy" do you not understand?
Are you in favor of strictly sanctioning all autocratic governments?
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Why can't you answer the question instead of the kneejerk whataboutism?
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Why can't you answer the question instead of the kneejerk whataboutism?
Please ask a specific question.

Countries that Currently have Theocratic Governments:

Afghanistan

Iran

Mauritania

Saudi Arabia

Sudan

Vatican City

Yemen
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All of which are responsible for Atrocities domestically and across the globe in the name of God.
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All of which are responsible for Atrocities domestically and across the globe in the name of God.
Ok, so why single out Iran?  Why not sanction them all?
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Which of those are radical right wing? 


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Which of those are radical right wing? 
Please enlighten me.
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Who instigated the Iran vs US conflict?
Iran

How does someone be aggressive and cause tension?  
by being bad



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ok, what does that prove
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Iran
Evidence they started it?
by being bad
How does someone be an aggressor, be bad or start tension?
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Evidence they started it?

In the article, they were being aggressive with their war

How does someone be an aggressor, be bad or start tension?
By being mean

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In the article, they were being aggressive with their war
The oldest event mean thing was this "The U.S. and Iran have never officially fought a war but the two sides have engaged in bouts of violence since the CIA-backed coup that reinstalled Iran's monarchy in 1953" which the US started.


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The article stated that the US killed Iranian civilians. That is the oldest event they talk about. Are you going to say the US started the conflict? 
No, where do you get that boi


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Changed it. US were mean first. 
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The old regime was aggresive
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The old regime was aggresive
So now that I debunk your claim instead of stating the US started the conflict you instead justify it. Care to tell me why you moved the goal posts? Is it because you can't defend your original position?

Who were the old regime aggressive too and I want proof?

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I can,evidence?
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The link states that the CIA engaged in the violent conflict. A US agency engaged first.