It is widely believed in Christendom that Jesus Christ was killed on a cross. However, the Greek word 'stauros', which is normally translated 'cross' in English Bibles, really means a stake or pole. Indeed, the crucifix symbol probably has pagan origins. It is fitting that Christ died with hands and arms lifted up above his head, rather than spread out in a crucifix form, seeing that uplifted hands is a symbol of God's promises being confirmed (Eze. 20:5,6,15; 36:7; 47:14), as well as intense prayer (Lam. 2:19; 1 Tim. 2:8; 2 Chron. 6:12,13; Ps. 28:2), which Christ was engaged in on the cross (Heb. 5:7). He said that as the bronze serpent was lifted up on a polewhen Israel were in the wilderness, so he would be publicly lifted up in his time of dying; thus he associated the 'cross' with the pole (John 3:14).
Was Jesus really killed on a Cross?
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The so called "Christadelphians" are heretics, they aren't even really Christians.
But Romans did execute by crucifixion, and it was done on a cross.
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@Mopac
The so called "Christadelphians" are heretics, they aren't even really Christians.But Romans did execute by crucifixion, and it was done on a cross.
You missed the main message of the cross.
jesus wanted others to follow him to the cross. But we know no one did and therefore no one was worthy of Jesus.
Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
jesus didn't die for anyone's sin. Jesus wanted everyone to follow him with their cross and die with him. But we know no one did and therefore no one was worthy of Jesus.
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@Harikrish
What, so your saying that the 11 out of the 12 apostles DIED for a fake person
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@Harikrish
As a delusional pagan, your opinions on these matters is worthless. You need to be taught, as you are unfit to teach.
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@Dr.Franklin
Yeah, and the one who wasn't killed was still BOILED ALIVE.
Nevermind about the countless martyrs since!
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@Mopac
I know right, All for a fake person! it's not like Rome, the country who killed Jesus Persecuted Christians because they knew Jesus existed, LOL right
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@Dr.Franklin
What, so your saying that the 11 out of the 12 apostles DIED for a fake person
The only ones to follow Jesus were two thieves who were crucified with him. One of them went to paradise with Jesus. Promise made, promise kept.
No one else followed Jesus with their cross. Therefore no one was worthy of Jesus. Read your Bble!!
Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
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@Mopac
As a delusional pagan, your opinions on these matters is worthless. You need to be taught, as you are unfit to teach.
I am the only true bblical scholar and spiritual leader. I was nominated the most spiritual member on DDO.
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@Harikrish
Not literally,
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@Harikrish
You are NOT a Biblical scholar
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@Dr.Franklin
You are NOT a Biblical scholar
How would you know? You called Jesus a redskin.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
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@Harikrish
I meant it as a insult
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@Dr.Franklin
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
I meant it as a insult.
Why were you trying to insult redskins?
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
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@Harikrish
Why were you trying to insult redskins?
No, I was calling you one as response to:
You are just a poor low IQ African slave, Remember?,Now compare that to Africa where nigger Ethang5's lives and works.,Busted nigger,The nigger confessed his 3 daughters are illegitimate bastards.,So what has the nigger Ethang who lives in Ghana African been doing for the last 16 years?
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Except a billion people, lol
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@Dr.Franklin
Why were you trying to insult redskins?
No, I was calling you one as response to:
You are just a poor low IQ African slave, Remember?,Now compare that to Africa where nigger Ethang5's lives and works.,Busted nigger,The nigger confessed his 3 daughters are illegitimate bastards.,So what has the nigger Ethang who lives in Ghana African been doing for the last 16 years?
But you are calling Jesus a dumb redskin. Read your post.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Except a billion people, lol
It's important that Christians know Jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
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@Harikrish
You just repeated what you said
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@Dr.Franklin
No, I repeated what you said.You just repeated what you said.
you are calling Jesus a dumb redskin. Read your post.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
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@Harikrish
STOP REPEATING YOURSELF I REBUTTALED IT ALREADY,
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@Dr.Franklin
STOP REPEATING YOURSELF I REBUTTED IT ALREADY
I repeated what you said.
You are calling Jesus a dumb redskin. Read your post.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
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@Harikrish
Im talking to a rock
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@Dr.Franklin
You call Jesus a dumb redskin earlier.I am talking to a rock.
Read your post.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
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@Harikrish
I can do the same thing,
Why were you trying to insult redskins?
No, I was calling you one as response to:
You are just a poor low IQ African slave, Remember?,Now compare that to Africa where nigger Ethang5's lives and works.,Busted nigger,The nigger confessed his 3 daughters are illegitimate bastards.,So what has the nigger Ethang who lives in Ghana African been doing for the last 16 years?Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Except a billion people, lol
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@Mopac
An interesting reference to a cross occurring at a point in the story months or years ahead of Jesus' crucifixion. I wonder what the apostles would have made of 'take up his cross' at the time.Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
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@keithprosser
It is understood that a lot of the things that Jesus said likely did not completely register until after Jesus was crucified, even up until pentecost.
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@Mopac
Facts
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@keithprosser
It is also understood by the church that following Jesus involves real sacrifice and struggle. We call this picking up the cross and carrying it.
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@Mopac
Indeed, but the natural supposition is that it is an idiom derived from Jesus' crucifixion, but Matthew has Jesus saying it well before there is any hint of his death.
I don't think there was anyone recording Jesus' words in shorthand at the time. Surely what we get in the text are reconstructed paraphrases, not verbatim transcriptions of his precise words. I think Matthew may have slipped up and inserted an anachronistic idiom - but it doesn't matter one bit tothesense of the passage so I'm not going to read too much into it. It's ust somerthing I noticed.
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@Dr.Franklin
You call Jesus a dumb redskin earlier.
Read your post.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Dr.FranklinI can do the same thing,
Why were you trying to insult redskins?
No, I was calling you one as response to:You are just a poor low IQ African slave, Remember?,Now compare that to Africa where nigger Ethang5's lives and works.,Busted nigger,The nigger confessed his 3 daughters are illegitimate bastards.,So what has the nigger Ethang who lives in Ghana African been doing for the last 16 years?
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Except a billion people, lol
Read your post.
Post #42 What stage is Hindu Hari?
Franklin wrote: Wrong again, Jesus the redskin doesn't know anything. TYPICAL. Now get off your computer and worships the tress and go WOO WOO WOO with your dirty @ss mouth
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
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@Harikrish
You repeated yourself again...
Why were you trying to insult redskins?
No, I was calling you one as response to:
You are just a poor low IQ African slave, Remember?,Now compare that to Africa where nigger Ethang5's lives and works.,Busted nigger,The nigger confessed his 3 daughters are illegitimate bastards.,So what has the nigger Ethang who lives in Ghana African been doing for the last 16 years?Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Everyone knows jesus was an illegitimate Jewish bastard.
Except a billion people, lol