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Yeah, huh? If only there was a way to tell which Christians had it right, from the ones who have it wrong. Is it the god hates fags Christians, the I'm so sad my kid is gay becuse they're going to burn in hell Christians, or the Christians who say not a big deal because god made them gay...hmmmm...well how do we know who's right? Can you help? And if you think THIS is annoying, imagine if I tried to write laws based on MY interpretation of the bible and said "This is what is in the bible according to me, so it's now law!" and you DIDN'T AGREE WITH MY INTERPRETATION. Wouldn't THAT be annoying? WHat if I decided I pay less

taxes than you because of my interpretation? Really annoying!

Interesting. Does god know then that some people are going to be evil sinners forever? did he, for example, know from the beginning Adam would eat the apple? Or is that one of those bible stories I'm interpreting wrong (which seems to mean at times I'm reading the words that are there and then not searching for alternative meanings that explain it in the rest of the bible)?

What does this have to do with anything? 

What difference does it make? Every human is without excuse. No? You just said so yourself. How is sending either to hell for not accepting Jesus, knowing that god had foreknowledge of this person being born in a Muslim country to muslim parents and would never accept Jesus as a result of these circumstances, how does sending that muslim to Christian hell somehow qualify as perfect justice? If that's not what happens, to EITHER Muslim, please show me in the bible where it says regardless of faith or conviction, you can go to Christian heaven no matter what. I guess unless you're an atheist. 

Who preached the Gospel message of Jesus Christ to Abraham?

Aren't you claiming that the Bible claims no one can receive knowledge of the Gospel unless they hear it from a human?

God knew there would be unrepentant sinners, 

Well we could satisfy that in a number of ways, first consider that the soul existed prior to the physical body, this should be a no-brainer even in Christianity. If that soul inhabits a physical body once or a number of times either way it is a reincarnation because the soul exists apart from any forms. If you exist in an afterlife in another form that is reincarnation.... If you existed in a series of lives or are a new soul no matter how you look at it reincarnation is a reality, when you leave this world you still exist in another form and another world. Whether that's heaven or another shot at the physical world or one of the multiverses it's all reincarnation. Fundamentalist Christians don't like terms that are not generally accepted in their religions lol, but reincarnation at the basic definition is "the rebirth of a soul in a new body." That applies in many ways especially within spirituality, Christianity or whatever religious, spiritual path one pursues spirituality has the same objective for the individual. Also not everything and all knowledge is within the Bible, many other paths of spirituality have knowledge and insights about God and creation. God is not as rigid as some religions make that out to be.

I'd be interested in the other things you don't agree with I said...

Well, for now I'd prefer to focus on the reincarnation issue, and then possibly go from there because this is what stands out in my memory.

The reason I said "I don't believe in reincarnation, at least not in the traditional sense" is for the very reason you just brought up. (i.e., a believer receives a new resurrected body.....aka reicarnated new body).

If I'm a created being, then I have no reason to believe that the human body I now occupy isn't the very first form of life I've been given. That prior to this life, I just didn't exist until God breathed the breath of life in my current form.

I'll throw a strange question at you.

I'm a firm believer in the possibility (and impossibility) of time travel. In secular terms, time travel is possible in theory, but impossible in practicality. We just don't have the technology to even come close to such a notion.

From a more divine perspective, time travel is possible in similar fashion to how the construction of the Tower of Babel was possible. But it was rendered impossible by the restrictive hand of God. Same principle. Time travel is possible if we acquired the near to impossible technology, but I believe rendered impossible by the restrictive hand of God because God will not allow man to turn back the hand of time to right their wrongs. Man is judged  by what we do individually, and there's no chance of going back to change it. The only way out of our dilemma is to put our current lives in the hand of the savior.

So, I believe time travel, if God allowed, could cause an onteological problem. In other words, if God allowed a human to travel in the past, and rewrite history so to speak where he doesn't rob the bank, thus not subject to criminal justice, it would cause a problem in the day of judgment.

How would time travel, unless you think it's absolutely impossible in every way, or time is not really relative, affect reincarnation? Or would it? Could a human change their future reincarnated role if they went back in time, and changed portions of their lives that say, gave them negative karma effects?

So, I believe time travel, if God allowed, could cause an onteological problem. In other words, if God allowed a human to travel in the past, and rewrite history so to speak where he doesn't rob the bank, thus not subject to criminal justice, it would cause a problem in the day of judgment.

The only time travel possible is that which has already happened, this can be revisited in the causal plane, the Akashic Records. Look up the Akashic Records.

To make a long story short time travel would only be looking at what took place, kinda like the Christmas Carols where you can look back in time.

the soul exists prior to the physical body period, 

the soul exists prior to the physical body period,

Yes, people have used the Bible to maintain slavery. I think that's a problem with humans, not the Bible.

Would leveraging the words of Jesus have been possible without the bible? I agree it's a human problem, one wherein humans used the bible to subjugate others by saying this is what Jesus said, if you deny it, you deny Jesus and hell's way worse than these cotton fields. Be mindful: the question is not would slavery have still existed, because slavery and subjugation predate the bible and ignore almost all cultural boundaries. The question is would the biblical message have been used as one of the tools to maintain the institution

Clearly no, but if I were you I'd steer clear of making the comparison between religion and heroin: someone once called religion the opiate of the people, if I recall correctly, and the connotation of heroin addiction as compared to religious fervor is curious. 

Any group in the bible judged by any group of Christians to be deserving of rebuke. For example, me! As an avowed blasphemer, unrepentant in my ways and telling others to turn away from god, the bible surely has passages about how I should be ignored or cast out or stoned or any number of tortures visited upon me. Or on people who aren't CHristians. I don't think it's likely in America, but I don't support anything that can be used to grant holy sanction to base discrimination. 

That's basically the story. I stopped believing at 12, tried to keep believing, then couldn't make myself believe somethign that has no evidence and makes no sense. You can believe it or not, I don't care, it makes no difference to me. You're going to say I wasn't doing it sincerely or properly anyway, and I'm just going to say "according to you." 

Did you ignore this? BEcause no answer.

Are you referring to a Muslim who's heard the Gospel message? Or a Muslim that never heard the Gospel?

What difference does it make? Every human is without excuse. No? You just said so yourself. How is sending either to hell for not accepting Jesus, knowing that god had foreknowledge of this person being born in a Muslim country to muslim parents and would never accept Jesus as a result of these circumstances, how does sending that muslim to Christian hell somehow qualify as perfect justice? If that's not what happens, to EITHER Muslim, please show me in the bible where it says regardless of faith or conviction, you can go to Christian heaven no matter what. I guess unless you're an atheist. 

Where does the muslim go?

What difference does it make? Every human is without excuse. No? You just said so yourself. How is sending either to hell for not accepting Jesus, knowing that god had foreknowledge of this person being born in a Muslim country to muslim parents and would never accept Jesus as a result of these circumstances, how does sending that muslim to Christian hell somehow qualify as perfect justice? If that's not what happens, to EITHER Muslim, please show me in the bible where it says regardless of faith or conviction, you can go to Christian heaven no matter what. I guess unless you're an atheist. 

Who preached the Gospel message of Jesus Christ to Abraham?

Does the Muslim go the Christian heaven or not?

If I'm a created being, then I have no reason to believe that the human body I now occupy isn't the very first form of life I've been given. That prior to this life, I just didn't exist until God breathed the breath of life in my current form.

If you believe in the soul then you know God didn't breathe into your current form, the soul exists prior to the physical body period, I don't think there is any argument about that. If then it is true that you existed before the birth of the physical body then it is true you have a soul....which existed before the birth of the physical body, then it is true you reincarnated. You may not like that term but it is what it is.

Or in the hands of yourself. You are a savior, that's how cause and effect work. You are the living truth.   

Not sure what point you're trying to make TBH, time travel is only possible through the causal plane. And even then you are dealing with things that already happened. That can't be changed. In true time travel circumstances can be changed, but once something has happened it can't be changed, only corrected. So if you were to make it in any travel of time you could only help not correct. 

Reincarnation is based on what you do and the effects it has on creation,

if you want to change something it must be done in the present. 

   

To make a long story short time travel would only be looking at what took place, kinda like the Christmas Carols where you can look back in time. You can't change anything of course but you can change the Karma of the individual by adjusting behavior and attitude in the now. 

Why would the soul have to exist before the physical body?

 Are you saying we never had a beginning?

Or, we weren't created?

When we travel by plane we travel into the future,

 albeit only a fraction of a moment. not enough to notice, but during that fraction of a moment, it's a very real experience. We're not simply observing the moment from an observational point afar. I don't see why it would be any different if one were to travel the speed of light, and travel into the future.

I agree that we can only change something in the present. But I don't see any law, natural or spiritual that suggests that if the creator removed restraint on time travel, or gave us the ability to do so, the time traveler would exist in a very real setting whether traveling backward or forward. Why wouldn't it be real?

Why would the soul have to exist before the physical body? Are you saying we never had a beginning? Or, we weren't created?

No, the soul is always present in the moment.... if you were to experience another plane it's not in the future but in the moment. The only difference being you are experiencing higher frequencies of existence. To soul travel or switch planes the soul is basically switching its attention, but it's still in the moment just like if you were to travel anywhere. This is also how spiritual experiences occur.

I guess it would be real as long as it was present or in the moment, away from creation and into pure awareness time does not exist in the way we experience it anyways so the only thing we truly experience is what is in the "now". But, if we were to be revisiting the past per say, we would be present but what we witnessed of the past wouldn't be, it's simply revisiting energetic imprints that have already transpired. It would be more like the Christmas Carol movie I'm afraid, where you could see what was taking place but not able to interact with it. Beyond that I'm not really sure I could only speculate but good points. As we discussed though there could be loop holes with minimal abilities.