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@zedvictor4
You don't really understand what we believe, so you aren't speaking from a place of knowledge.
Ask me anything: Judaism
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@Mopac
You've told us often what your deluded absurd beliefs are and zed nailed it.
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@Mopac
Considering I believe Islam is a Christian heresy,
- That's a very old belief. What exactly do you mean by 'Christian heresy'? Why do you believe Islam is Christian heresy?
I do not believe that killing Muslim apostates is acceptable.
- For no good reason, of course it isn't.
As long as you are threatening people with death for coming to the true faith, you are surely on the wrong side.
- You for leaving the faith?
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@Yassine
Islam(and by this, I don't mean submission to God, because truly that is our Orthodox faith, submission to God.) Does not know Jesus Christ. The Jesus Christ that is taught in Islam is not the same Jesus Christ that is known by The Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church.
An acceptable reason for killing a Muslim apostate is if they convert to Christianity, isn't it?
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@Mopac
Islam (and by this, I don't mean submission to God, because truly that is our Orthodox faith, submission to God.) Does not know Jesus Christ. The Jesus Christ that is taught in Islam is not the same Jesus Christ that is known by The Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church.
- Submission to God is the message of all God's divine revelations, in that sense, they are all 'Islam'. Who says the Orthodox Church isn't the heresy? The Jesus (pbuh) taught in Islam is the one many sects in the Middle East then believed in (though now extinct), it's the one found in the Gospel of Thomas & others, which are rejected by the Church. The Jesus Christ hailed by the Church today was decided in the Council of Nicea. The Church, in the coming centuries, went on to massacre or oppress all sects of different beliefs than their own -which it regarded as 'heretic' & burn all other scriptures which they didn't acknowledge.
An acceptable reason for killing a Muslim apostate is if they convert to Christianity, isn't it?
- That's not a reason, it's a type. Just converting to Christianity from Islam isn't enough to warrant death penalty, or any penalty.
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@Yassine
I have been born to not submit to anyone. Under pain, under pressure... you can do anything to me i will never submit to anyone other than a lie to end my life... which i know i can do and is ultimately always in my power... god doesn't make sense. God knows i will never submit yet will punish me anyways... that doesn't make sense. When will you guys understand this is a human creation.Submission to God is the message of all God's divine revelations
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@Outplayz
I have been born to not submit to anyone. Under pain, under pressure... you can do anything to me i will never submit to anyone other than a lie to end my life... which i know i can do and is ultimately always in my power... god doesn't make sense. God knows i will never submit yet will punish me anyways... that doesn't make sense. When will you guys understand this is a human creation.
- That's just delusion & arrogance. You are submitting wether you like or not, but deluded as to the truth of that, imagining you actually have power. You have none. There are laws within & without binding you to a reality you can never break from no matter how you imagine otherwise. That "power" you think you have is simply the will God instilled in you, to chose wether to recognize your powerlessness & submission, or persist in your delusion. That chose which would then decide your fate.
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@Yassine
Submission to God is the message of all God's divine revelations, in that sense, they are all 'Islam'. Who says the Orthodox Church isn't the heresy? The Jesus (pbuh) taught in Islam is the one many sects in the Middle East then believed in (though now extinct), it's the one found in the Gospel of Thomas & others, which are rejected by the Church. The Jesus Christ hailed by the Church today was decided in the Council of Nicea. The Church, in the coming centuries, went on to massacre or oppress all sects of different beliefs than their own -which it regarded as 'heretic' & burn all other scriptures which they didn't acknowledge.
The ecumenical councils did not innovate the faith, but clarify and reaffirm what was passed down by those ordained by the apostles and their successors.
The Roman Empire is not the church, and even after the empire became Christian, persecution of Orthodox Christians did not end. Many Emperors were not Orthodox Christians.
The history is a lot more complicated than you know, but we certainly believe that The Holy Spirit guides the church, and tbat as Jesus promised, hell will not overcome it. The Church is the oldest continuous institution on the planet, which is amqzing considering throughiut most of its history it has been persecuted, oppressed, and slaughtered.
This is way off topic, it might be better to make a new topic.
That's not a reason, it's a type. Just converting to Christianity from Islam isn't enough to warrant death penalty, or any penalty
That is not in line with the experience of the church. Past and present.
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@Mopac
The ecumenical councils did not innovate the faith, but clarify and reaffirm what was passed down by those ordained by the apostles and their successors.The Roman Empire is not the church, and even after the empire became Christian, persecution of Orthodox Christians did not end. Many Emperors were not Orthodox Christians.The history is a lot more complicated than you know, but we certainly believe that The Holy Spirit guides the church, and tbat as Jesus promised, hell will not overcome it. The Church is the oldest continuous institution on the planet, which is amqzing considering throughiut most of its history it has been persecuted, oppressed, and slaughtered.
- Which Church are you talking about?
That is not in line with the experience of the church. Past and present.
- Not sure what you're referring to here? Do you mean apostasy laws in the Orthodox or Catholic churches? Or apostasy laws in Islam?
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@Yassine
God is me bro... i wouldn't put that burden on anyone else. It's already enough to deal with my consciousness. Times infinity, are you kidding me? I get what that means. Delusion & arrogance will always be a part of the deal... bc i would choose it to be so, unfortunately. It's a bad realization. But, consciousness man... you'll find all the answers there, and if you search the platform and come to the conclusion of what that meanns... sure, you can call that god.That's just delusion & arrogance. You are submitting wether you like or not, but deluded as to the truth of that, imagining you actually have power. You have none. There are laws within & without binding you to a reality you can never break from no matter how you imagine otherwise. That "power" you think you have is simply the will God instilled in you, to chose wether to recognize your powerlessness & submission, or persist in your delusion. That chose which would then decide your fate.
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@Yassine
The Orthodox Catholic Church recognizes free will as being part of what it means to be made in God's image. That being the case, we do not punish apostates, but pray for them. We do not believe in persecuting heretics or waging holy wars. The Church is not intended to be a secular or worldly power, as Christ said "My Kingdom is not of this world."
We do believe that all secular or worldly authorities have been given that authority by God, whether they are good or evil.
The church's experience is that those who convert from Islam face very real threat of being killed in the Muslim world. Both past and present.
We are really off topic here, I think it would be better.to make a new topic if you would.
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@Outplayz
I agree with Yassine, you are clearly in prelest.
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@Mopac
If you agree with Yassine on everything... i'm wrong. So agree on everything then talk to me. I'm simply watching.
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@Outplayz
Your arbitrary standard of judgement is indicative of spiritual delusion.
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@Mopac
There's nothing to understand per se.
All that you are doing is organising acquired and stored data in one particular way.
And then coming up with an assumption.
If the acquired data is non-sensical then the assumption is likely to be non-sensical too.
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@zedvictor4
We Jews, Muslims, Christians, and certainly other monotheists recognize that The Ultimate Reality is God.
While you are uncertain of God's existence or don't believe it can be known, I certainly do know with certainty. I am more certain of God's existence than even my own knowledge! You who cannot make sense of these things project your own haughtiness on to those who truly know, because you do not believe that it can truly be known that God exists.
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@Mopac
Your GOD was created along with an entire pantheon by a tribe known as Canaanites in the middle East ~3000yrs ago.
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@Mopac
One could easily say that you are just as haughtily theistic.
As for making sense;
Well, as far as my own personally acquired and stored database is aware, everything makes good enough sense to me.
Inquisitive Man was asking questions, but could not find the answers.
So he created Gods as answers. It's pretty simple and makes absolute sense.
The fact that people such as yourself still get programmed with all the old non-sensical stuff is just the way that certain information is habitually transferred within certain communities.
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@zedvictor4
Our reasonings are a lot like our own children. A child may be beautiful, well behaved, and just a darling if you ask momma, though the child is an ugly wicked little trouble maker to everyone else.
Just because something doesn't make sense to you does not mean that you understood it to make sense of it to begin with.
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@Outplayz
God is me bro... i wouldn't put that burden on anyone else. It's already enough to deal with my consciousness. Times infinity, are you kidding me? I get what that means. Delusion & arrogance will always be a part of the deal... bc i would choose it to be so, unfortunately. It's a bad realization. But, consciousness man... you'll find all the answers there, and if you search the platform and come to the conclusion of what that meanns... sure, you can call that god.
- Alright! So willfully arrogant & delusional, but why though?
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@Mopac
Just because you think that something makes sense to you, doesn't necessarily mean that something was sensible in the first place.
Habitually programming the same old nonsense into our children is one of humanities biggest flaws.
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@zedvictor4
Maybe you should talk to the OP about it, because this topic is an AMA.
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@Yassine
Simply bc there is no one else that can be me for me to survive. In any other scenario, i'm dead and gone. Therefore, anything that happens to me after death i'll be the driver and have to deal with it. Arrogance and delusion are just part of the game. That's why imho it's best to realize it's a part of you in order to be its master and not vice versa.- Alright! So willfully arrogant & delusional, but why though?
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@Outplayz
Simply bc there is no one else that can be me for me to survive. In any other scenario, i'm dead and gone. Therefore, anything that happens to me after death i'll be the driver and have to deal with it. Arrogance and delusion are just part of the game. That's why imho it's best to realize it's a part of you in order to be its master and not vice versa.
- Arrogance & delusion indicate a state of separation from reality, this can't be realized, because it can't be real. When reality hits, delusion dissipates.
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@Yassine
Arrogance & delusion indicate a state of separation from reality, this can't be realized, because it can't be real. When reality hits, delusion dissipates.
You are talking about people strictly delusional and arrogant... i'm talking about being its master. No human is perfect enough to not fall into either... the question then becomes, who is the master? I actively try to be the master although sometimes they creep, man, sometimes they creep... i'm not perfect either but i am stronger than those that are not cognizant of these demons.
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@Outplayz
The fact that you think you are the one in charge of your demons and not visa-versa is proof that you are very deceived and are on the wrong path. Yassine is right. When reality hits, delusion dissipates. Just as light expels darkness.
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@Yassine
When reality hits, delusion dissipates.
Godists have impenetrable wilful ignorance that never allows reality to hit so they just continue believing in gods created by men.
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@David
I am primarily curious if your answers will differ from the ones I’ve been told.
There are several instances of stoning in the first five books, and Joshua. Most are very troubling to me. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime. For instance, Achan along with his entire family were stoned. There is a story in Numbers were a person is stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. I have no issues with punishment, but it is the extent of the punishment that bothers me. There are other issues, but will stick with this for now.
Why?
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@croweupc
I'm not sure that any punishment other than death is ever mentioned in the bible! I suspect that 'one-size' approach has its origin in the Hebrew's own origin as a nomadic tribe with no jails and didn't use cash.
Numbers 35:31 suggests that later on fines ('ransoms') replaced the death penalty except in the case of murder.
"'Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die. They are to be put to death."
I'm just going to straight out lie.
I've a sneaking suspicion that God hasn't keept a count on all things.
Of course i believed in the God,