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First, there is not, nor has there ever been, an RO between Supa and Goldtop. Second, "defending yourself" is not, and is never, an excuse to violate the COC or to violate an RO. If someone is attacking you, the appropriate response is always to inform moderation and to allow them to address the situation. Thirdly, y'all need to calm down and chill out.

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It's so annoying and it pisses off. Veterans die everyday to protect our country. A gay person does not die for our protection.
On the facetious side, this sentence makes no sense. Veterans are done fighting, hence why they are called "veterans." They are not dying every day to protect our country. They might be dying every day, but not in active, armed defense of the US.

On the serious side, this comment is clearly wrong. Gay servicemen and servicewomen are fighting and dying to protect this country, and serve in our armed forces and government to make this nation a better place. The obviously false presumption that comes through in your remarks that gay people matter less than veterans because they haven't fought for this country or because they are unwilling to fight for this country is ignorant, damaging, and strikingly prejudiced.
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Funny I was told that isn't done here. Yet you got one on Goldtop? Fucking prick mods. 
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I was told saying you reported posts is a threat. Guess that is ok for Cuntstin's friends though. 
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I said servicemen. They should feel the same respect as a VET too. They sacrificed 2x the amount. But vets have done more for our country and that is honest and cold faacts
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Dude, are you blind or something? Look at my posts here, they are all posts directed at the mods, YOU and Virt. Are you not the mods here? Did I not inform you? Did I not flag the post violations? Wake up, man! Stop staring at the porn you put as your picture and get a fucking life.


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ignorant, damaging, and strikingly prejudiced
Well, it looks like Dictator Bsh is allowed to call out others on their stupidity but others are not. What a hypocrite.

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You said Veterans. Go read the sentence I replied to.

What you're doing here is comparing apples to oranges. Vets are a group delineated by what they have done. Gay people are a group delineated by some kind of innate characteristic of who they are. You can't fairly compare the two groups, because they are not similarly delineated and because they overlap significantly. I have never met anyone who has ever made the claim that "gays" in general somehow have done more for this country than "vets." That kind of nonsense doesn't sound like something liberals actually say; instead it sounds like something conservative commentators accuse liberals of saying.

If you want a fair comparison, compare Vets to political activists. Then we can have an honest discussion.

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My remarks were confined to critiquing a specific presumption, and were not critiquing the users. Your remarks, regarding a "display of stupidity," were certainly directed at the users, mocking them for their views. It's a very fine distinction, but it is alright to critique a particular view as "ignorant," but it is not okay to extrapolate from that that the user himself is "ignorant." Your remark, in context, was clearly doing the latter. Nevertheless, if you felt like my own remarks crossed the line, feel free to report them for Castin to review.

Beyond this comment, I am not going to debate publicly moderation's comments to you on this incident. Flame all you want, but your remarks here are more of a performance than any real attempt at engagement.
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. Your remarks, regarding a "display of stupidity," were certainly directed at the users, mocking them for their views.
Again wrong, the display of stupidity was referring to the words in the thread, not the users. I made no direct attacks to anyone, I directed them at the words. Please try to improve your reading comprehension skills. You further insult my intelligence by referring to Castin to review remarks when it's perfectly obvious what you're saying.

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The issue with that argument is the phrase itself. "Display of stupidity" implies that users were displaying their stupidity through the things they said. Contextual factors, such as the fact that you did not clearly specify an idea you were critiquing, only make your case weaker. But, as I said in my messages to you, this is only one of several problematic incidents recently. Ultimately, what is clear is that you need to learn how to navigate the forums without hurling out personal attacks left and right. 

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"Display of stupidity" implies that users were displaying their stupidity through the things they said.
Lol. Are you serious? You do realize that when words get placed on this forum, they are indeed the result of what people said, didn't you know that? But, I did not call out anyone or refer to anyone, I referred entirely to the words themselves.

You really should either improve your reading comprehension skills or just stop targeting me.

this is only one of several problematic incidents recently
Notice how you have now made public what you have told me that you never do, which is to reveal what you're talking about with other members? This would show you know damn well my comments were not towards any members if you have to resort to these kind of tactics.

Ultimately, what is clear is that you need to learn how to navigate the forums without hurling out personal attacks left and right. 
And now you're making public warnings against me, something else you said you never do. Liar.

Once again, Bsh, you continue to show your arrogance and incompetence as a mod here.
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But, I did not call out anyone or refer to anyone, I referred entirely to the words themselves.
Actually, you never referred to any specific words. What you did was a generalized attack (which doesn't require mentioning any user specifically) which is prohibited in the COC.

As to everything else you said: you opened the door.
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I referred to all the words on the thread, dummy. Please do something about your reading comprehension skills or stop trying to target me every time you get your panties tied in a knot.
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Not really. Apples and oranges are different, but there is a prefered preference on what I would eat and which did more

Compare the apple taste vs orange taste
Compare the health risk and rewards of apples vs oranges

Point is there is a lot to compare
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@Vader
You argument here is not responsive to anything I said.

Dissecting an idiom is hardly going to show that the comparison between vets and gays is a fair one.
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@bsh1
You are saying that comparing the two things are like apples and oranges, I countered that by giving the difference between apples and oranges and which ones are better specifically.

I applied to your logic and played the reverse card, saying you can compare LGBTQ+ activism to the military because you look at production to American as a whole

Without the military itself, we would be vulnerable to invasion and be colonized back. Without veterans, we would cease to exist as a nation and depending on which country colonized us, there may have been no LGBTQ+ Pride or anything along those lines. They fought for you to have those freedoms. 

LGBTQ+ service members on active duty are only 1200 accourding to this poll. It is a small majority. We should thank them too for their service

Contribution to Americans, veterans have done more and service men and women in general. Google still think that LGBTQ+ has done more accocrding to their drawings. I am telling the case that this is not true