Who created god?

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I'm afraid your views don't agree with reality, I can't agree with them if they exist only in your imagination.
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@Beelzedad
I'm afraid your views don't agree with reality, I can't agree with them if they exist only in your imagination.

It agree's with my reality, why would i care about yours? I only hope you are having a good time, and good thoughts... for, i am not a bitter human being and don't wish ill will on others. So, hopefully you have things that make sense to you. 

In regards to "imagination" ... this dreadful idea of our thoughts. You are right. It's not like anything significant was ever created due to imagination. It's just a worthless byproduct of our minds... nothing good comes from it. 

By the way.. you don't know my views. Hint hint.  
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There is only one reality that we all share. If you have created something from your imagination. it isn't reality.
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There is only one reality that we all share. If you have created something from your imagination. it isn't reality.

Sure buddy. Nothing from another's imagination has ever become reality. Right? Or, do you mean it from the most literal sense. Then, without sarcasm, i believe what you are saying... my imagination has nothing to do with objective reality. "There is only one reality" ... objectively again, i agree, in the most literal sense there is only one reality we all share that is apparent.  

How the Fk do you know if there are other realities or if there isn't? I'm real curious how you are so certain? Bc if you are arguing against my overall belief that there are more realities than we know... you are arguing against an opinion i have formed from anecdotal experience, hypothesis, and/or fringe hypothesis. Yet, it seems like i am the only one that can concede either or could be true. Bc of experience, i am a bit bias, but not bias enough to say i am certain. All i can say is that i am more confident than not there is a "spiritual" reality. I am only trying to define what that can be from our current understandings. I may be completely wrong, or i might be on to something... i don't know. 

You are replying to me in the most literal sense. How i can i disagree to that. I can't disagree to our current understandings. However, you are not considering anything beyond that. A lack of imagination is just as pathetic as a confident imagination. I still don't know where you fall... but it seems like it is the lack of imagination part. But i will reserve that surety until i am certain. 
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Btw... i just read my reply to you and noticed a ton of grammatical mistakes. I hope you can follow and get the gist of it. I was in a rush, sorry.  
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Perhaps, a "spiritual reality" exists somewhere in your imagination and since our current understanding of spiritual realities is zero, you have zero information from which to form a conclusion. You'll need the full capacity of your imagination to solve that riddle.
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Our current understanding is zero? Lol... now who is the one stuck in their imagination and bias'. I have zero information to form my conclusion... again no, i have specific spiritual experiences i have witnessed, so again... not zero... You just sound like you have a beef with any kind of spiritual conclusions... and guess what... you have no clue.  
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At spiritual conclusion would have to first exist before I could have a beef with it. That's like saying I have a beef with pixie dust.

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There is as much proof so spirituality as there is before the big bang.
This. The thorough denial of spirituality.

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@Beelzedad
At spiritual conclusion would have to first exist before I could have a beef with it. That's like saying I have a beef with pixie dust. 
You have a beef with the idea... as simple as that. For there are many ideas when it comes to spirituality. Just like there are many ideas in science that haven't been proven. You just don't like spirituality. That's not my problem. 

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I don't deny a spiritual reality could exist, so i don't get what you mean by denial. 
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Spirituality has never been proven to exist outside of human imagination.
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If you use the word "proven" i agree - "evidenced" i would not agree. 

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The Truth is God.

Or better yet, to make it more clear, The Ultimate Reality is God. If the reality in question was created it cannot be The Ultimate Reality.
If you see God as a created thing, you are grappling with a most superstitious error.





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If you believe in gods then you are a victim of superstition.
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@vagabond
There is One God, The Truth.

If you say The Truth doesn't exist you undermine your own assertion.

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@Mopac
Make up your mind what your talking about.
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@Outplayz
You claim there is as much proof for spirituality as there is for something before the big bang.
There is no evidence for anything before the big bang therefore there is no evidence for spirituality.
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@vagabond
The Truth is God.
I'm talking about God. You can't tell I'm being consistent because you haven't yet accepted that God means "ultimate reality".

You are probably confused because you can't tell the difference between claims about God and what the concept actually means.

People say a lot of things about God, and have a lot of opinions about God. These are not the same thing as what God Is.

The Supreme Being is God.

That is what the concept is meant in the context of monotheism. God with a capital "G". In English, god with a lower case "g" is a different word.


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@Mopac
So far we have
:god is a different god if upper case is used
:god is ultimate reality
:god is truth
:god is a supreme being

All of this when the fact is that gods are created by humans.

Try to make up your mind.
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You claim there is as much proof for spirituality as there is for something before the big bang.
There is no evidence for anything before the big bang therefore there is no evidence for spirituality.

I wouldn't use the word evidence for i think there is evidence of both even if it is crap type evidence. But, yeah... there is no proof for either so we are just left to speculate. 
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@Outplayz
But you don't speculate you claim knowledge. Knowledge that you can't possibly possess.

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@vagabond
People did not create The Truth.

The Truth existed before people, and indeed will continue to exist long after people are gone.
No, God is THE Truth
God is The Ultimate Reity
God is The Supreme Being

And Merriam Webster makes this distinction between "God" and "god".


"capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality:"







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@Mopac
Unsupportable claims and so they are dismissed.
Humans creating gods is supported by hundreds of thousands of years and your little tin god is less than 3000yrs old.
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That's not true. I always say i am speculating, this is my idea, this is what i think... i have never once claimed i know anything for certain. Actually, my spiritual belief requires that i don't know it for certain. The best i would say is that i suspect it more than not. 
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The Truth has always been, will always be, and exposes these little gods for what they are, vanities and the creations of men who come, go. They are transient. These little gods were created at a time and will be forgotten at a time.

You clearly don't know my God. My God is The Truth.

Are you saying that The Truth is only 3000 years old?

You clearly don't know my God.


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@Mopac
Since your god only exists within your imagination only you can know your god.
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@vagabond
The Truth only exists in my imagination you say? Are you saying that you don't believe The Truth exists?

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@Mopac
Please try to keep up, I said your god only exists in your imagination. If in your imagination you call this god truth then that problem is yous alone.
The truth doesn't live in your imagination but your god does.
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@vagabond
If The Truth doesn't live in my imagination, and The Truth is my God, what does that say about your claim?