I'm anti-immigration. Change my mind.

Low-skill worker immigration is almost entirely bad because it serves to lower wage and labour standards, and it often puts people at risk for human trafficking and coercion.

High-skill worker immigration is fine. It helps keep the United States from having shortages in necessary capacities.

But if someone wants to immigrate to America, ethnonationalism isn't the way to go in arguments on that matter. It has no logical historical basis for the country.

Immigration is inherently based on reality of two or more nation/states.

A scenario involving a unified Earth nation/state, immigrant is an irrelevant word or concept, unless mind-accessing extra-terrestrial begin arriving.

Do prefer a scenario of a less unified Earth with a future that is of an increasing number of nations/states, or a unified Earth where concept of immigration is moot/irrelevant concept/word?

We each have a choice to make in the direction we want humanity to move towards. Integration towards unification, as one integrated humanity, or not.

I hope you will open your mind --more considerate--  as much, or more, than change your mind.

Any country that has any kind of open welfare system will eventually be destroyed with an open border policy. The price a nation pays for having a welfare state is controlled borders if they wish to survive as a nation. Europe is discovering this, and the economic effects have not even come close to being realized. There is no infrastructure in place to take care of the welfare refugees, and once the money is drained to fix that infrastructure problem, it must be paid with a staggering debt. Let's hope America keeps a strong military while Europe declines.

One of the main reasons for the massive horde of homeless people is the lack of infrastructure to accommodate the illegal immigrants swelling the streets of the sanctuary cities. California does not have the resources or manpower to even control basic human feces piling up around the homeless tent cities. This is the fate of open borders mixed with welfare. If we were to eliminate state welfare and run the country like we did with open borders in 1900, there would be no homeless problem like we have today in sanctuary states, because people would not just show up at Ellis Island expecting to kick back and take it easy.

 

Also, don't let anyone tell you that demand creates jobs. Capital creates jobs, not demand. If there's not enough capital, then swelling of the streets of your sanctuary city will surely turn your hometown into Brazil. Plenty of demand and yet no jobs there.

People have this idea that people with capital are just swimming in it like scrooge McDuck, when in fact, it's all accounted for and appropriately invested already in stable ventures. Investors are not going to gamble on illegal labor if they find it too risky. Nobody with money is flocking to California to invest in the massive amounts of human capital lounging about in the tent cities, regardless of demand. It's just too risky, and there is no likely return on investment. More homeless won't change that reality.

Integration is not enforced in this country. Diversity is.

Mass immigration is a multifaceted problem rooted in global capitalism, hegemonic power constrained by nuclear considerations, and the scale of society in the United States. The interested parties behind global capitalism want to maximize the fluidity of both capital and labor to buffer their own considerable power. The US needs to project its interests through proxy conflicts in non-nuclear countries, which are usually ruined in some sense, creating large populations amenable to relocation out of necessity. And economic and social scaling problems cause deep problems in first world countries, which ultimately remain unaddressed and lead to escapism, which fuels consumerism and things like drug use and hedonism, coupled with either political disengagement or hyperengagement. This dysfunction leads to immigration policies which range from incoherent to malevolent, and because our government doesn't really reflect accurately the will of its people any more the result is populist backlash when changing demographics make escapism difficult. The same people who claim that mass immigration is just the path to a Star Trek utopia have a terrible track record of predicting things, and that trend is likely to continue. Proximity, diversity, and unclear boundaries or cultural norms is a recipe for disaster, and that's clearly where we are headed.

I can’t begin to comprehend how naive one would have to be to look at history think that a united “Earthian” race is even a remote possibility, let alone inevitable, but here we are. Just saying that you think something is going to happen eventually isn’t an argument for why we should do it. Policy should be decided based on how it effects the populace, not some abstract moral ideal about the “browning” of the world 

Hell, you can't get people with any similar shade of skin to agree on anything. Poking out your eyeballs or turning everyone brown won't change science.

What is up with these "magical skin" people thinking humanity will be all hunkie dorie once everyone has the same shade of skin?

That you think the ongoing  browning of humanity is an abstract and not reality is further evidence that your living in a bubble of non-truths that is immune to truth ever penetrating your denial-of-truth bubble. Sad :--(

This is typical Trumpanzee past-time and there is long list of those.

Deny deny deny.

Humanity is not browning.  

Obama was born in USA.

Tiny improvement of wages and inclined job growth is resultant of Obama polices and been rising for years.

Swamp of white house and republican poliiticians has been growing not draining.

Idio-ump has distorted reality with more lies than any other president in since Nixon.

Idio-ump has more criminal and civil law suits filed against him  --and won-- than any other president since Nixon.

Ido-ump does did not have largest inagural crowds ever.

Made hush money payments to at least two women and repeatedly lied about so as to not hurt his chances to become president.

OMG the list of lies and repeated lies by this narccisstic, immoral, bigoted, racist nutcase is more than any other president ever.

Kim Young Poo is still a nuclear danger and is trying to conceal its increasing  nuclear program.

Putin attacked/jhacked americas voting system to get trump into office and admitted on national tv he wanted trump as president.

The list of denials by Trumpanzees in regards to this most lying ever president is too long for me to list in one sitting.

Dude, you have Asperger's, and it isn't even the fun kind.

I've actually revised my beliefs on this a bit since the last time I posted here:

1. Labor shortages are bullshit. Having done some more research, I think businesses could easily fill all their alleged labor shortages by raising wages and offering more training. There wouldn't be any "jobs Americans can't/won't do" if businesses were willing to invest more resources into hiring American workers. Immigrant-dominated industries (e.g. agriculture) have only become immigrant-dominated by virtue of immigrant workers pushing American workers out of those industries. In other words, any level of immigration is going to introduce competition into the job market and harm American workers.

2. That being said, immigration can still be justified on economic grounds. It's a net benefit to the economy in the same way that free trade is: by improving efficiency of production and drastically reducing the prices of goods and services for all consumers. Immigration and free trade displace a subset of American workers, but in doing so, they benefit everyone by boosting purchasing power (i.e. raising real wages). 

3. I'm still anti-immigration because of its impact on social cohesion. And the economic displacement of so many American workers only exacerbates that impact.

.."Dude, you have Asperger's, and it isn't even the fun kind."...

I have fur-burger symptoms. Classic male syndrome.

I'm happy to see thatf emale immigrants are on the rise.

US needs more women and more women in power.

Humanity needs more women in powerful positions.

Women { cry } are attractors, like gravity, they contractor inward to pull family together as integral whole

Men { fry } are pushers and are best when managed  by women. 

They're both important. It's true that demand without capital is useless. But capital without demand is useless too. Demand is what ensures the profitability of capital investments. Nobody is gonna start or expand a business (i.e. create job/wage growth) unless they know there's demand for that business's product.

There are two sides to the equation, and I don't understand why people insist on ignoring one side or the other on the basis of their partisan affiliation.

Because you don't have to manufacture demand, but you have to engineer capital. 

There's a lot of progressive thought out there still that government has an obligation to manufacture demand, but it is repeatedly debunked through the broken window fallacy.

I strongly urge you to deeply research the broken window fallacy before you advocate for government to create demand through things like wars and open borders.

Immigration been lower and lower for years.

Demand for needed worker is as great or greater than ever.

What jobs needs to be accomplished in USA and other countries is greater than ever.

Who ever thinks there is no demand for workers or no need and living in fantasy land of denial.

Pretty much those 62 million  Trumpanzees who voted for idio-ump

Demand for workers is a good thing...it causes low unemployment and high wages.

Broken windows does not cause these things.

Yeah and gives jobs to poorer people who want to work.

Lets see do we know any poor people want to work?

Oh yeah the immigrans whose numbers have been declining for years.

Trumpanzees are in denial of the facts/truths.

Wow so you are for controlled borders. I never took you for a Trumpanzee.

Well...here is your official Trumpanzee card then... 

That's not true. Demand is contingent on factors such as disposable income and consumer confidence. Those are both factors the government can influence.

... I don't think I even vaguely implied that I support "wars and open borders" as a way to boost demand.