MEEP: Voting Policies 2

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04.23.2019 07:57PM

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@TheRealNihilist

There's no specific metric, but rather a kind of holistic evaluation. If the proposals do not work, there will likely be complaints from the userships end and/or difficulties on moderation's end which will indicate that they are not working. If I get the sense that either of these things are the case, I would likely refer the policies back to the usership via a MEEP process so that the site's usership can render their verdict on the issue.

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04.23.2019 08:17PM

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@bsh1

Wouldn't it be best next time to layout what you wanted out of something and what it would take for it to fail?

Do you have like a ballpark of the number of complaints required for this to be a failure?

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04.23.2019 09:03PM

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@TheRealNihilist

Wouldn't it be best next time to layout what you wanted out of something and what it would take for it to fail?

I think the hypothesis-test model is the wrong one to use. In one sense, there are no metrics (or means of obtaining metrics) to measure scientifically these policies. In another sense, that a policy is willed by the people seems to be sufficient grounds (in most cases) to adopt or scrap some policy. And, finally, the impression of whether something succeeds or fails, and what either would entail, is largely evident from a close consideration of the policies as articulated.

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04.23.2019 09:34PM

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1. C

2. A, B, C

3. Yes

4. Yes

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04.23.2019 09:50PM

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Question 1

B - 3

C - 11

Question 2

A - 29

B - 22

C - 15

Question 3

Yes - 6

No - 7

Question 4

Yes - 11

No - 1

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04.23.2019 09:54PM

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Time Check

Just 5.5 hours remain to cast your vote! Please use this opportunity to have your voice heard. This will be the last time check.

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04.24.2019 12:36AM

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@bsh1

3 is YES

2. 1) A

2) B

3) C

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04.24.2019 02:22AM

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1. Voting Criteria Run-off: Should Plan B or Plan C be adopted?

Plan C: Accounts must have read the site's COC AND completed at least 2 non-troll debates without any forfeits OR posted 100 forum posts

2. How should a "troll debate" be defined?

3. Plan C

2. Plan B

1 Plan A

3.Should there be a voting moderation opt-out possibility on debates?

Yes

4. What should count as a sufficient vote in the choose-winner voting system?

No

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04.24.2019 02:32AM

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@RationalMadman

I second RatMan's suggestion that choose winner should be a feature that defines troll debates (who wants to RFD a troll debate anyway?)

I second Ragnar's notion that our common understanding of troll debates doesn't quite match the set of debates that don't want or deserve moderation. What about another term? fleabates, not debates for example? how 'bout freebates or wee 'bates?

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04.24.2019 09:47AM

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@bsh1

I think the hypothesis-test model is the wrong one to use.

Just use any model to measure the success of this. If you don't you won't know how much of an impact this had or didn't have.

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04.24.2019 12:49PM

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Final Vote Count

Question 1

B - 3
C - 12

Question 2

A - 33
B - 27
C - 19

Question 3

Yes - 8
No - 6

Question 4

Yes - 11
No - 2

Results

For question 1, Plan C met the threshold for adoption under the MEEP guidelines. Similarly, for question 2, Plan A met the threshold for adoption, and, for question 4, the proposed choose winner criteria also met the threshold for adoption. These proposal will take effect in the coming days. For question 3, the proposal came one "yes" vote short of the threshold for adoption, and so the proposal will not be implemented.

Thank you again to all who have participated. As always, it was good to get the community's feedback on these important issues, and we hope this overhaul of the voting policies will foster more robust and honest voting practices in the future. This MEEP will be switched to read-only sometime within the next 24 hours.

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David