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@Snoopy
According to the evidence, yes.
Can you describe your nationalism?
Now what?
I'll tell you when you get there.
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@TheRealNihilist
American?
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@Snoopy
Would you support tariffs?American?
Stopping immigration?
Support keeping race percentage the same in the US?
Support your country even when they do bad?
For those questions give me a real-life example as well.
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@TheRealNihilist
Can you please define "support"?
I'm sensing that the alternative right left paradigm seems to be something akin to fascism vs socialism in this case. Do you have any comment when it comes to the alt-left?
Advocate or vote for it.Can you please define "support"?
I'm sensing that the alternative right left paradigm seems to be something akin to fascism vs socialism. Do you have any comment when it comes to the alt-left?
I haven't heard of such a word but if it was then it would be like the left equivalent of Richard Spencer trying to re-brand far left ideas. That would be communism. Anarchism is not really a left or right thing since it can be on both sides.
I'll have the questions repeated here again:
Would you support tariffs?
Stopping immigration?
Support keeping race percentage the same in the US?
Support your country even when they do bad?
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@TheRealNihilist
I would support my country even when my countrymen are doing things I think are bad, but don't see myself advocating for the other things.
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@Snoopy
Why?I would support my country even when my countrymen are doing things I think are bad, but don't see myself advocating for the other things.
So you won't do anything if the US are involved with a genocide?
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@TheRealNihilist
I am pretty sure that not doing anything isn't support. Generally speaking, I don't think the United States has ever been at a point where it wasn't worth salvaging. If it did get to that point, I view reconstruction to be preferable to abandonment.
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@Snoopy
The United States is made up of people. Those people are still there therefore if the people will it they can have public healthcare.I don't think the United States has ever been at a point where it wasn't worth salvaging. If it did get to that point, I view reconstruction to be preferable to abandonment.
What are values that you think that the United States has that you would like to keep?
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@TheRealNihilist
The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people. Some call it an experiment. The means by which public healthcare is contingent upon the will of the people who can therefore have it, would be a voluntary business venture distinct from, but not necessarily unrelated to the United States. I say this in the sense of what happens to be logically consistent with your choice of words. I'll have to think about the values.
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@Snoopy
If this was true why don't people have healthcare?The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people.
The means by which public healthcare is contingent upon the will of the people who can therefore have it, would be a voluntary business venture distinct from, but not necessarily unrelated to the United States.
So basically if the people will it then it becomes part of the United States?
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@TheRealNihilist
The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people.If this was true why don't people have healthcare?
I don't understand
The means by which public healthcare is contingent upon the will of the people who can therefore have it, would be a voluntary business venture distinct from, but not necessarily unrelated to the United States.So basically if the people will it then it becomes part of the United States?
Rather distinct from it, in this case.
If the majority of the United States wants public healthcare why isn't it happening. You did say the United States is made up of people but are there voices being heard?I don't understand
Rather distinct from it, in this case.
What do you mean?
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@TheRealNihilist
You said precisely that the United States is made up of people. I have not.
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@Snoopy
What is it made up of then?You said precisely that the United States is made up of people. I have not.
You said this
The nation is made up of people,
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@TheRealNihilist
Read the part you are choosing not to
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@TheRealNihilist
Since what is right doesn't come from governments constructed by men to serve their people, there may be issues utilizing your philosophy in general.
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@Snoopy
So basically many people want public healthcare because they like the idea but the Republican party don't want that to happen.The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people.
Are there voices being heard and why isn't their public healthcare?
Since what is right doesn't come from governments constructed by men to serve their people, there may be issues utilizing your philosophy in general.
I am not going to allow you to shift the conversation in a different direction. Remember when it was about Ben Shapiro being part of the alt-right then you decide to make it about yourself then you decide to change that conversation to about how nationalism or socialism are not on the left and right spectrum. You really do like changing the argument when you know you can't defend the previous ones.
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@TheRealNihilist
Read the OP
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@Snoopy
Why did you contest what I said?
Surely you wanted to stay with what the forum post initially said but you replied to my statements.
Why is that if you wanted to talk about what the forum was about?
Without you I wouldn't have said more about the topic.
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@TheRealNihilist
The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people.So basically many people want public healthcare because they like the idea but the Republican party don't want that to happen.Are there voices being heard and why isn't their public healthcare?Since what is right doesn't come from governments constructed by men to serve their people, there may be issues utilizing your philosophy in general.I am not going to allow you to shift the converddsation in a different direction. Remember when it was about Ben Shapiro being part of the alt-right then you decide to make it about yourself then you decide to change that conversation to about how nationalism or socialism are not on the left and right spectrum. You really do like changing the argument when you know you can't defend the previous ones.
Surely you wanted to stay with what the forum post initially said but you replied to my statements.Why is that if you wanted to talk about what the forum was about?Without you I wouldn't have said more about the topic.
If the conversation is going to continue shifting from nonsensical ideologies to theoretical reality, idolatry is going to prove detrimental
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@Snoopy
If the conversation is going to continue shifting from nonsensical ideologies to reality, idolatry is going to prove detrimental
So you can't defend your burden on where this conversation went? Good to know.
Ben Shapiro represents ideas. Did I once mention him by his features or something? I strictly talked about his ideas and how much he is like an alt-right figure.
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@TheRealNihilist
I'm not defending anything that I know of, so my ability to do so is not ascertainable in the sense of my capacity
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@Snoopy
So you say to me
Read the OP
But you didn't even follow it either.
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@TheRealNihilist
So you say to meRead the OPBut you didn't even follow it either.
I'm grasping but can't seem to get a grip on the point of this. I got a kick out of it anyway, since that's basically my first post in this thread after reading the OP
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@Snoopy
Guess I consider this a failure by you. Can't defend Ben Shapiro, can't defend being a nationalist and can't defend whatever the last part of the conversation was about.I'm grasping but can't seem to get a grip on the point of this.
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@TheRealNihilist
Okay, I am sorry for the confusion. I have just been talking really. I think of forums as a place for a collection of thought, and that's my general mentality, that is contributing to the forum. Its of no particular concern to me to be persuasive in this setting. If you receive a reply in a forum it is probably an archival note, because I am interested in what you have to say for some reason, or because I allot limited time to entertain questions and general interest (something of that general nature).
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@Snoopy
Didn't expect that. Sorry for what I did as well. So I would like you to answer questions before we leave this.Okay, I am sorry for the confusion.
Does Shapiro hold views that mostly resembles the far-right which makes him a far right?
Do you understand if you support nationalism you are a part of the far right?
Do you understand people have ideas so basically making a distinction like what you did had no bearing in the conversation?
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@TheRealNihilist
Does Shapiro hold views that mostly resembles the far-right which makes him a far right?
I would have to establish a better understanding of a right - left paradigm. I find Ben Shapiro doesn't cater my taste, though what I have watched from him did not seem to be extreme.
Do you understand if you support nationalism you are a part of the far right?
My understanding in the context I have, is that I am far right on a spectrum of mysterious origin which differs from American norms.
Do you understand people have ideas so basically making a distinction like what you did had no bearing in the conversation?
I don't know what distinction this is referring to.
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@Snoopy
I would have to establish a better understanding of a right - left paradigm.
Far left is communism.
Far right is facism.
By the statements made is Ben Shapiro a far right figure.
My understanding in the context I have, is that I am far right on a spectrum which differs from American norms.
I take that as a yes.
I don't know what distinction this is referring to.
You said:
You said precisely that the United States is made up of people. I have not.
Even though earlier you said this:
The nation is made up of people,