not just a bad person problem - a gun problem

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9/11 is the worst that I know of.  The strategy whereby "assault weapons" are designated in small increments as a minority is well known to be advocated by Bill Clinton.  That is why seemingly irrational policies involving cosmetics are utilized.
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i didn't say that there are more assault rifle killings than hand guns. i said the likelihood an assualt rifle will be used is higher than the likelihood an other gun will be used. there are more hand guns, so there are more hand gun deaths. i dont know the number but for example there's a ten percent chance an assult rifle will be used to murder, but a five percent chance a handgun will. 
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Virtually every store that I know of carries an "assault weapon" but rarely do they carry an "Assault rifle".  An assault weapon is a political term.  An assault rifle can be switched to automatic fire.
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trying to get a straight answer from dred is like trying to nail jello to the wall
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i dont know the number but for example there's a ten percent chance an assult rifle will be used to murder, but a five percent chance a handgun will. 
This should be verifiable since assault rifles are among the most well documented class of firearms in the US, and handguns are the most well documented class of commonly available firearms.

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There are over 100 million handguns in the United States

Assuming a future murder rate of 10 in 100,000 individuals (handguns)

Rounding down to 100 million handguns, at a 5% rate that would be 5 million murders, not including accidents and justifiable cases of homicide.

Assuming an average population of 400 million people



Approximately how long would the guns have to last before reaching a 5% murder rate?



400,000,000/100,000*10=40,000 murders per year (handguns)
5,000,000/40,000=500/4=125 years


In this case, a significant amount of today's firearms are predicted to last in excess of 100 years, and still be in use, and be employed offensively.



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It's like these sheep come out of these liberal colleges pre-programmed to see everything in terms of DNA and skin color.

How the fuck is racism supposed to be phased out  in the future if universities have racism101 as college credit masquerading as critical race studies?

They must have some idea that you have to carry your 23 and me DNA membership card to be considered a member of any culture. For god's sakes, we have had this discussion for decades about being a member of the black community is about your experiences, not the color of your skin. They really think there is some sort of palette card members of the culture carry  around holding it up to peoples faces just to make sure they make the cut. Jesus fuck these racists.

Drop the idea of the damn cards and stop pulling them whenever you can't understand something....cause it aint all about dat DNA you fucking indoctrinated racebaiters.
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the comparison myth is just that, there's far too many variables to attempt to compare the U.S. with any other country, population and geographic size should make that obvious.  Would you like to start a thread how those comparisons are accurate?

correlation does not imply causation

i dont know the number but for example there's a ten percent chance an assult rifle will be used to murder, but a five percent chance a handgun will. 
WOW you certainly do not know, you appear woefully ignorant on the subject and unable to find out for yourself, that's pretty sad.

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ikr lol, then look at the interviews of how they readily accept voluntary separation by skin color, their own dorms, gyms etc.  the generation of ignorance is what they should be labeled.
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sure, and the next worst?  because some people will say yeah but they weren't citizens blah blah blah.
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But it's not ignorance. It's racism revival BEING FKN TAUGHT in the schools!
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blind socialist ideology
remember how they want to prevent the blacks from getting guns, they are just trying to expand it to all poor which blacks make up a big portion of.  They won't give theirs up or their armed guards, security etc things the average person could never afford.  The people in places like Chicago who kill each other are tolerated to a large degree because they tend to be poor and or black.  It's the news worthy ones they want to stop.  Keep it from the general public knowledge is the name of the game.  if it was for highly publicized shootings there would be no talk of gun control, since that's the only times it's brought up.
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sure, and the next worst?

I am uncomfortable to be honest about trying to say what is "worse" in terms of human life.  The Indian massacres of the 1800s come to mind, notably the massacre at Wounded Knee in South Dakota.  Beside the shear scale, these were particularly devastating because of the challenges the survivors had to face.

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It's ridiculous eugenics. Who thinks it's a good idea for society to grant privileges based on your DNA? The ones talking about skin color privilege do. Doesn't matter if skin color privilege is true or not, the very idea of society granting reparations based on the shade of your skin and your DNA is the road to eugenic fascism.
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Has anyone told you. You have great facts?
If no one has I have. 
It is easy for me to tell if the facts say what they want it to say but it is more difficult to find the facts yourself. 
How do you do it? 
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Eight of the 10 states with the highest homicide rates and eight of the 10 states with the lowest homicide rates all got “D” or “F” grades from the Brady Campaign analysis.

These States Have the Most Restrictive Gun Laws in America
1. California                                 
2. Connecticut
3. Colorado
4. District of Columbia
5. Maryland
6. Massachusetts
7. New Jersey
8. New York

states with the most lenient gun laws
8 Kentucky
7 Louisiana
6 Montana
5 North Dakota
4 Oklahoma
3 Arizona
2 Alaska
1 Utah

draw your own conclusions, I would also add Vermont has lax laws and "The gun ownership rate in Vermont is 28.8 percent." one of the lowest murder rates
New Hampshire didn't make the strictest list, in fact they have some fairly lax laws for concealed carry etc and yet look at their murder rate.

 we COULD point out which states have had mass murders and which haven't but I don't think that's necessary :)

feel free to add to this if you like, i'll save it and repost it every time one of these threads starts up, saves a lot of typing.    



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sorry I meant in modern history in total deaths and wounded, it is Oklahoma City, no gun used.  That is the point I was making.
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HAY DREAD.. YOU HAVE GREAT FACTS...CAUSE I REALLY LIKE YOUR FACTS AND STUFF...MAKES ME FEEL WARM AND FUZZY YOUR FACTS DO..

I know your facts are true because men wearing makeup on MSM said so.

How do you do it?
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lol
the lemmings and cute and funny aren't they.  ahh to be a child again.....



"How do you do it?"

copy and paste my boy, copy and paste

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@Greyparrot
You are not funny and are on the track of being a racist.
Don't waste my time to tell me how you are actually being reasonable,
That would be greatly appreciated because your sheer incompetent of actually telling your side really does bore me to d*ath.
Has anyone told you how boring you are?
Have it as your profile picture wear it with pride because that is the only thing you can be proud of on this site or maybe spreading half-a$$ed ideas but lets keep that as something you improve on rather than be with you on this site. 
Thank you for hearing this and improve on formulating your argument. It gets your perspective across a lot better.

If you want a tip here:
With every claim make sure to explain that point and if you can add evidence. At least you would be informative rather than being boring. 
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you can do the math yourself

i googled that there are 2.5 million assault rifles in circulation. 374 rifle deaths per year. there are 11000 gun homicides. there's a gun for every person in the usa, 340 million. 

what's the math say? 374 divided by 11000 is 3.4 percent of deaths are from rifles. 2.5 milliion divided by 340 milliion is less than a percent. so what does this mean? despite rifles being less than a percent of guns, they cause 3.4 percent of deaths. that is, a rifle has a higher percent chance of being used to murder than a non rifle. 

i think dred is just getting stuck on the fact that hand guns OVERALL are more likely to be used, but that doesn't mean each hand gun has a higher percent chance of being used for murder than a rifle. 

obvious dred is the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. and he still hasn't answered the question of why nongun homicides aren't wildly out of whack in the usa, which it would be if we just had a more murderous bad person society as he claims. 



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You are not funny and are on the track of being a racist.

You have already demonstrated yourself to be a race baiter, which is the worst kind of racist.

A righteous racist.
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a rifle has a higher percent chance of being used to murder than a non rifle. 


Weapons
2010
2011
 2012
2013
 2014
Total
13,164       
12,795            
12,888
 12,253
11,961
Total firearms             
8,874
8,653
8,897
8,454
8,124
Handguns
6,115
6,251
6,404
5,782
5,562
Rifles
367
332
298
285         
248

is the FBI wrong or are you?

to quote KingLaddy01
I don't have time to decode your autism. Either start making sense or do not post at all.

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you can do the math yourself

i googled that there are 2.5 million assault rifles in circulation. 374 rifle deaths per year. there are 11000 gun homicides. there's a gun for every person in the usa, 340 million. 

what's the math say? 374 divided by 11000 is 3.4 percent of deaths are from rifles. 2.5 milliion divided by 340 milliion is less than a percent. so what does this mean? despite rifles being less than a percent of guns, they cause 3.4 percent of deaths. that is, a rifle has a higher percent chance of being used to murder than a non rifle. 

i think dred is just getting stuck on the fact that hand guns OVERALL are more likely to be used, but that doesn't mean each hand gun has a higher percent chance of being used for murder than a rifle. 

obvious dred is the one who doesn't know what he's talkin g about. and he still hasn't answered the question of why nongun homicides aren't wildly out of whack in the usa, which it would be if we just had a more murderous bad person society as he claims. 

Because the political climate can sometimes obscure established terminology you always want to check if Assault Rifle, actually means assault rifle, not "Assault weapon" which could potentially change according to political climate. A rifle variant of an assault weapons legal class is not necessarily an assault rifle.

Over 100 million (approximately one third) of firearms in the United States are rifles.  The boldened portions are certainly in error.  Its possible among other lines of reasoning that the "Assault Rifle" estimate of 2.5 million could actually be the amount of AR-15 rifles estimated during a certain year in recent history, which I can recall claims off the top of my head of between 2-5 million, recently considered the most popular model in America in terms of sales.  Some people believe mistakenly that AR corresponds with assault rifle.  In fact, there are less than 1 million firearms in the United States legally classed as machine guns, and some fraction of those are technically real assault rifles.  
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do you not understand math? do you not understand statistics? 

i can't make out what all the numbers mean in your list there, but it looks like it would probably show the same conclusion. that is, overall handguns are more likely to be used in murder but only because there are more handguns in circulation. if you compare the percent chance a rifle or a hand gun will be used, a rifle has a higher chance. 

i think you're just too stupid to understand the distinction. which is no surprise given how i can never get a sensible response of of ya. 
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You have already demonstrated yourself to be a race baiter, which is the worst kind of racist.

A righteous racist.
I shown you your train of thought. It was rational of me to think that because you are talking exactly like how a white supremacist would talk when they want to degrade black people. Simply state which race does promote these things and go into deeper on the reasoning on why this occurs. 
Cultures that promote education, marriage before children, and 2 parent households are going to have more wealth in America than other cultures.
You are really close from being a white supremacist.
Your comment that I am worse than a racist? You really are irrational. It is like saying I am worse than a murder even though I failed to bait a murder? Weird kind of logic you have. Do some introspection. It will help you understand what direction you are heading towards. 
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seriously though, what kind of grades did you get in math in school? i got an A in every math class i ever took, including college level calculus and graduate level statistics. 
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No surprise there that you see all people you don't like as white supremacists since you already admitted you are a racebater.

That's exactly the behavior of a racebaiter, to see other people as racists first and as people who disagree with you as an afterthought. 

Seeing race in everything is the standard operation of a properly indoctrinated racebaiter.

People like you and Jussee Smollett, Sharpton, and Jackson need to be publicly shamed into obscurity for the good of the nation.
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what's your opinion of the opening post which compares gun homicides versus non gun homicides? 

here is the graph
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No surprise there that you see all people you don't like as white supremacists since you already admitted you are a racebater.
Oh wow your problems run really deep. Now you are seeing thing. Sheesh guess you have a mental illness. I advise you to go see a doctor. 
Here are a bunch of phrases I have for people:
Dumb conservative
Logical conclusion of conservatism which is an advocacy of an ethnostate or some form of supremacy.
Passive liberal
Confused moderate
Reasonable socialists
Filthy commies
Dumb anarchists

That's exactly the behavior of a racebaiter, to see other people as racists first and as people who disagree with you as an afterthought. 
I disagree with RationalMadman with his two bad profile pictures he gave me. I didn't call him a racist instead bad at giving pictures of what people want. Thankfully I liked his 3rd in giving me a profile picture that I liked. Is this enough for you or maybe I am still a race baiter even though you have no proof and simply claim a hell while not understanding it requires evidence and explanation?
Seeing race in everything is the standard operation of a properly indoctrinated racebaiter. 
I highly doubt you are a credible source for anything apart from false news so not taking your pseudo-intellectual talk seriously. I am not diagnosing simply saying I think you need help. 
People like you need to be publicly shamed into obscurity for the good of the nation.
Nationalism? Do you know that is a type of fascism? 
Ultra-nationalism is what I am talking about.