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The wall seems like something no one wants and it's at least objectively pointless and costly.  It was a fun chant out at a rally that got out of hand.  I honestly think that most conservatives are content to pretend he's building it with the meager budget he took from the military.
I don't think you can say that. I would consider that a conspiracy.

Well, don't read the debate for the specifics.  Think the guy just has a chip about capitalism and that's all he's really expressed.
Are you talking about Type1? If so I find him the opposite of a Christian conservative. Instead of Religion and conservative it is some form of system like Anarchism, socialism or communism.
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The Nordic Model is public insurance for the poor.
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Ugh, all right I'll respond.  It would be easier if I knew how to quote peeps on this site:

2. Both, towing the general line I would like to see healthcare available but want the market to continue to be a positive force in healthcare.
3. Like I mentioned, I have trouble believing anyone is.
4. No, and I don't think that's what you're saying.  I'm opposed to all wars past WWII and especially the one we're losing against drugs.
5. Bernie.
6. Trans should have the same rights as any one else of course.  Not clear what they're struggling with right now but the military ban is a disgusting display.  I don't know even what I think of the issue and if it's genetic or what.  I just respect people and I don't really care how they would like to dress or what pronoun they'd like to use. 
7. I'm opposed.  Technically you could call me an anti-theist.  I just don't think religion is at all helpful and we're past a point that it's useful at all in our society except since it's had such a privileged position for so long and is the only way people have actually developed some measure of personal philosophy.  I'd actually consider that a large benefit if it did not first distort the rational faculty which makes any personal philosophy it can provide rather lackluster.

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The Nordic Model is public insurance for the poor.

"Private companies in 2015 provide about 20% of public hospital care and about 30% of public primary care, although in 2014 a survey by the SOM Institute found that 69% of Swedes were opposed to private companies profiting from providing public education, health, and social care, with only about 15% actively in favour."

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Name the year(s) you think she was against gay marriage and I will show you how vehemently she supported civil unions and even opposed her husband on 'don't ask don't tell', wanting the military to say 'go ahead say you're gay' basically.
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Interesting that it says 'and' meaning if they are against social care or education being privatised, that quiz would have them being against private healthcare as well. You also need to realise how ridiculous that quiz is at defying what I said as being true. You said the Nordic Model, even if your quiz proves the majority are against it, the model you are advocating for has private healthcare with public insurance.

The 'and' will be taken as 'or' to most doing the quiz.
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He seems to latch onto communism like a religion which I heavily implied in the comments.  A conspiracy XD.  No, I guess some people do but when I actually hear people support it it's with heavy hedging like "I really do think... we need a wall."  Here's a true story, or at least an interesting one.  people in his campaign had a hard time getting Trump to stick to talking points that didn't get Trump a lot of cheers at a rally.  They came up with the "build a wall" line as a way to get him to focus on immigration which is very important to his base and there a billions dollar sham was formed.
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2. Both, towing the general line I would like to see healthcare available but want the market to continue to be a positive force in healthcare.
Okay. So neither I guess but if I had to be you would be more cared for on the left compared to the right.

3. Like I mentioned, I have trouble believing anyone is.
So lefty on this position.

4. No, and I don't think that's what you're saying.  I'm opposed to all wars past WWII and especially the one we're losing against drugs.
So lefty for this position. What do you think my position is?
5. Bernie.
Lefty for this position.
6. Trans should have the same rights as any one else of course.  Not clear what they're struggling with right now but the military ban is a disgusting display.  I don't know even what I think of the issue and if it's genetic or what.  I just respect people and I don't really care how they would like to dress or what pronoun they'd like to use. 
Do you respect disrespectful people? lefty on this position.
7. I'm opposed.  Technically you could call me an anti-theist.  I just don't think religion is at all helpful and we're past a point that it's useful at all in our society except since it's had such a privileged position for so long and is the only way people have actually developed some measure of personal philosophy.  I'd actually consider that a large benefit if it did not first distort the rational faculty which makes any personal philosophy it can provide rather lackluster.
Me too. I hate theism doesn't mean I am opposed to it if it happens in the comfort of their own while also not doing rituals that can be harmful to them or others. Another lefty position.

Congratulations you are a lefty.

Is there anything you agree with the right-wing on? 
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Name the year(s) you think she was against gay marriage and I will show you how vehemently she supported civil unions and even opposed her husband on 'don't ask don't tell', wanting the military to say 'go ahead say you're gay' basically.
Is this good enough?
Don't know if you have another question. I think it is about war but would like confirmation.

Interesting that it says 'and' meaning if they are against social care or education being privatised, that quiz would have them being against private healthcare as well. You also need to realise how ridiculous that quiz is at defying what I said as being true. You said the Nordic Model, even if your quiz proves the majority are against it, the model you are advocating for has private healthcare with public insurance.

The 'and' will be taken as 'or' to most doing the quiz.
I don't know what you mean here. Sorry can you make it short?


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The quiz they answered forced them to also be against private healthcare in their answer if they were against private education and private social care. Therefore the amount is inflated in terms of those who are actually against private healthcare. Also, many would interpret it as saying 'all or nothing no public healthcare or public-provided insurance at all' as the ultimatum when answering.
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He seems to latch onto communism like a religion which I heavily implied in the comments.  A conspiracy XD.
That is hypocritical when you don't think people support Trump when they voted for him. Explain yourself. 
About Type1 yeah the guy is really weird. Hated me since he thought I was a conservative but wasn't annoyed when I fitted more into liberalism.
people in his campaign had a hard time getting Trump to stick to talking points that didn't get Trump a lot of cheers at a rally.  They came up with the "build a wall" line as a way to get him to focus on immigration which is very important to his base and there a billions dollar sham was formed.
Isn't this conspiracy territory? I would say Trump is not a racist but someone who has not moved with the culture instead stayed the same. I think there are people who are actual racists like Northam but I think Trump doesn't actually know what he is doing and I think what he is doing is supporting an ethnostates agenda. That is not a conspiracy because Richard Spencer a white supremacist agrees with Trump. It shouldn't be like that.  

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I don't think you're really opposed to defensive war.  Just probably want to avoid it and not initiate it.  

The right aren't really saying anything currently but my big thing would be being fiscally conservative.  Supporting our strong military tho I'd rather not use it.  My oposition to a free lunch but that's ironic considering I'm considering supporting a universal basic income.  Really it's just like sports teams these days.  If I'd look around at a Trump rally I'd probly have zero in common with most but I still think they're just providing some good balance are just the yang side.  Oh, also object to the extremely politically correct mentality and that gay, islamic women should be our new messiah and people that have been 'disadvantaged' should now be supported and revered.  

I do respect those that are disrespectful but I am still rude to them.  I keep my respect to myself in those instances.
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Also, many would interpret it as saying 'all or nothing no public healthcare or public-provided insurance at all' as the ultimatum when answering.
Guess I can find something else. 

"Healthcare in Sweden is largely tax-funded, a system that ensures everyone has equal access to healthcare services. Challenges include funding, quality and efficiency."
From here:
So basically majority of the healthcare is from the government.
You do know it is similar in the UK. The UK also has private healthcare. 

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Honestly I am not going to spoonfeed you when you are posting youtube videos of Hillary explicitly saying she opposes gay marriage because she feels marriage is about religion and religions oppose gays (she's not wrong, they do, what happened was people began to change their religions as society progressed so it wasn't Hillary being mean to gays) and instead she asserted that civil unions should have near-equivalent rights to straight people (except perhaps adoption which back then they thought would screw up the children, not her fault; just lack of scientific research put into it) and wanted gays to be completely entitled to have such civil unions in place of marriage.

You need proof when your own proof is proof of my point. Please look more into the whole 'Hillary flip-flopped on gay marriage' thing and see it's only the 'marriage' part she changed over time on, as well as gay adoption because she cared about children and worried it screws them up psychologically if they're not raised by a mother and father (which is linked to why she supported abortion and didn't flip-flop on that for children who will otherwise be raised by unloving people in a broken foster-home or something etc.). Hillary actually hasn't changed her mind on most of her core beliefs at all, she was simply willing to evolve with the times.
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The UK does have private healthcare, it also have public healthcare. The UK doesn't have public insurance for healthcare because it has public healthcare.

The Nordic model has the inverse. Understand?
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I don't think you're really opposed to defensive war.  Just probably want to avoid it and not initiate it.  
Yes I am not entirely opposed to war but would like to find anyway that is not a complete hindrance to avoid it. So basically I am pro avoid war.

My oposition to a free lunch but that's ironic considering I'm considering supporting a universal basic income.
Yang wants to increase taxation in order for it to happen. Should watch this if you want more information.
Oh, also object to the extremely politically correct mentality and that gay, islamic women should be our new messiah and people that have been 'disadvantaged' should now be supported and revered.  
They do exist but on Twitter. I think you are blowing how many people think that way out of proportion. If they are severely disadvantaged and they do well that should be celebrated but there should be in place for future generations an easier way to be successful. Basically lower the barrier for people less advantaged.
 
I do respect those that are disrespectful but I am still rude to them.  I keep my respect to myself in those instances.
I don't know how you do it. I lose it when I come across people who are logically inconsistent and fallacious. It drives me insane that people like this exist and are not capable of learning from their mistakes. I do be courteous at the start but if they can't even acknowledged their mistakes I just lose it and go full triggered on them. When I have had enough I leave but recently on DDO I haven't the person has yet to reply. Must really hurt his/her feelings. Feel bad but he did deserve it for being that st*pid.


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Hillary actually hasn't changed her mind on most of her core beliefs at all, she was simply willing to evolve with the times.
Guess I agree but still like Bernie more. Hillary has supported Obama in Afghanistan.

How isn't evolving changing?

The UK does have private healthcare, it also have public healthcare. The UK doesn't have public insurance for healthcare because it has public healthcare.

It says here Sweden has no public health insurance. 
Is it wrong?
If you weren't implying that what is the difference between the nordic model and what is going on in the NHS?

The Nordic model has the inverse. Understand?
What do you mean? 
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Interesting loophole. So they fund the things the insurance would cover so that you don't need insurance if you're particularly poor. Fine, that's a loophole that does the same thing backwards. The healthcare is still run by corporations competing, prove me wrong on that please.
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The healthcare is still run by corporations competing, prove me wrong on that please.
Is this enough
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Three administrative levels
The Swedish healthcare system is divided up into three administrative levels, which are all governed by democratically elected politicians:
  • national government
  • regions
  • municipalities"


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Okay go into the other nordic nations please.
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"Although the Ministry of Social Affairs and Health has the highest decision-making authority, the municipalities (local governments) are responsible for providing healthcare to their residents."
They are not even mentioning private or public the conversation it is about who runs it local or national. Is that good enough?

"Iceland does not have a private healthcare sector,"

That should be it. 

Do you want Green lands and Faroe Islands? 
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That is economically idiotic, so to answer you no I don't support that and yes I have been proven wrong and can't comprehend how such a stupid system is in place that is probably why no medical procedures have been revolutionised in those nations since they employed that. You need to integrate private with public and let there be competition still.
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why no medical procedures have been revolutionised in those nations since they employed that.
Why can't the government fund it?

You need to integrate private with public and let there be competition still.
Why can't the government fund medical research when the need arises?
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I don't get it? Do you not see that their model rules out private healthcare? I am saying to have public healthcare via public insurance and let it remain private overall in competition of the hospitals etc.

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I don't get it? Do you not see that their model rules out private healthcare? I am saying to have public healthcare via public insurance and let it remain private overall in competition of the hospitals etc.
Why can't you do a planned economy like China? 

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Why the hell do you think that is a retort to what I said? Progressives support planning economies, we also support letting them be free within reason.
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I don't get it? Do you not see that their model rules out private healthcare? I am saying to have public healthcare via public insurance and let it remain private overall in competition of the hospitals etc.

Why can't use a planned economy for healthcare? It works in China,

Why the hell do you think that is a retort to what I said? Progressives support planning economies, we also support letting them be free within reason.
I wasn't retorting instead showing you the alternative. Why do you want an aspect of healthcare market to be free?
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So people compete to invent new surgical techniques and medicine as well as there never being a flat out 'right way' to treat most cases. Always 2-3 ways that the person should have competing methods to select from. Also, 'second opinion' won't really mean a damn thing in a system where the second opinion comes from a doctor from the same school of thought as the first one.
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So people compete to invent new surgical techniques and medicine as well as there never being a flat out 'right way' to treat most cases. 
So innovation is more important than everyone having health insurance?

Always 2-3 ways that the person should have competing methods to select from. Also, 'second opinion' won't really mean a damn thing in a system where the second opinion comes from a doctor from the same school of thought as the first one.

So it would be too controlled. Not allowing for more than one viewpoint? 
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Oh my god, do you know that I support public health insurance? Wtf are you saying?