Is climate change a problem?

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This isn't the first time politicians latched on to extreme predictions from radical "science" in a mad grab for power.

Democrats did it in the 70's with wrong science predictions about DDT, which ended up helping to kill around a billion since then due to malaria.

Reagan did it in the 80's with wrongful science predictions of crack babies, launching the war on drugs.

In the 90s, politicians latched on to many in this list for even more grabs of power.


You should never trust any politician with "scientific" predictions, as they are only interested in power grabs.
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what are some things you guys agree with the democratic party? i reckon no one can be all or nothing with a political party, while still claiming to think for themselves. so im curious what some issues are that you agree with liberals about.
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I don't know what they are about except for socialism and people control, maybe you can list some specific things you think we may agree with.
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YOU...fools...will be DEAD longer than you are ALIVE...

EARTH may end up like VENUS or MARS...SO ?  you FOOLS will not be here regardless...

How utterly pathetic these HUMAN CREATURES are to decide they are the optimum
and the most important life form in the UNIVERSE...Hahahaha...FOOLS

Humans will exterminate each other long before some Global warming effect !  

YOU...pathetic creatures...go murder each other over your GOD hoaxes...Dictator hoaxes
Government and Business hoaxes ...for power and control...such a waste...

IF HUMANS were TRULY SERIOUS about HEALTH and WELLNESS the warming issue
would not be an issue...HUMANS do NOT DESERVE this WORLD...

Eventually EARTH will rid itself of the HUMAN PARASITE that is ravaging it..just a matter 
of time...which HUMANS DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF !    fools...
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do you agree the government should have a food stamp system? do you think the government should not allow companies to pump as much mercury which is a serious toxin into the streams? what agencies do you think should exist? do you like the existence of social security or medicare? or medicaid for the disabled? these are just examples. i know trump and many conservatives might not be against food stamps or social security, but if these are liberal or conservative issues, they are liberal. 

no one can be all or nothing with a party and still claim to think for themselves.
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what are some things you guys agree with the democratic party? i reckon no one can be all or nothing with a political party, while still claiming to think for themselves. so im curious what some issues are that you agree with liberals about.

Great question. only a fool can't see the good or bad in anything, minute as it may be.

Democrats:
I agree on safety nets, because some people are born unequal and in a way, handicapped. Private charities don't always take care of the handicapped.
I agree that government should take some basic measures to ensure the safety of the people from environmental concerns, but not to overreach so much as to redundantly overlap or hamper tort law, which has been incredibly efficient at holding corporations accountable to negligent actions.Tort lawyers should be unrestricted, and no cooperation should be shielded from tort law with superseding compliance with government regulations (which are often insufficient and unresponsive to technology and other things).

I disagree with big government regulated socialism and the restriction of free markets. I don't believe you need to hobble the gifted to take care of the handicapped, so I don't believe a progressive tax system is effective (or moral).

I disagree on identity politics, critical race theory, and diversity for diversity's sake, as resisting assimilation into a homogenous national culture only ensures endless tribalism and sectarian violence and instability for the nation. If a nation is too big for assimilation into a homogenous culture, then it should be parceled off into smaller sections for the sake of peace and harmony. The alternative is cultural assimilation at gunpoint as in 1865. The Civil War taught us the importance of a homogenous culture, especially as it relates to slavery. No nation can stand divided.

Republicans:
I don't agree with any of the neocon interventionist policies. I think increasing the military in the absence of any competition is bad for the future of the country. I disagree with corporate charity and subsidies as it destroys the free market and destroys opportunity for people to aspire. Corporate charity is just the flipside of regulations restricting free trade and free competition. Both are equally harmful.
I disagree with limitless terms for Congress, as it's the number one cause for why Congress no longer functions today as a responsive tool of the people, forcing the government into a ridiculous position where the president must exercise far too much power just to get basic tasks done for the country. 

I believe in a fair flat tax, and I believe every voter should pay the same tax rate if their vote counts the same. People who are taxed at a lower rate fail to vote responsible people into office, because they have no skin in the game. It's the major reason why we spend far more than we can ever possibly take in from tax revenue, even if we were to tax the 1% at a 100% tax rate. The National Debt won't get any smaller until people with skin in the game hold politicians accountable. There are too many people with no skin in the game asking for benefits and not enough people who do have skin in the game asking how we as a country can possibly afford it.
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do you agree the government should have a food stamp system? do you think the government should not allow companies to pump as much mercury which is a serious toxin into the streams? what agencies do you think should exist? do you like the existence of social security or medicare? or medicaid for the disabled? these are just examples. i know trump and many conservatives might not be against food stamps or social security, but if these are liberal or conservative issues, they are liberal. 
food stamp system yes, but not how it's currently designed and implemented.
dumping toxins etc should not be allowed, should have never been even though it was and the damage is irreversible in some places.
social security should have an option for individuals to manage their money themselves.  People should be enabled and encouraged to provide for their own retirement, this does not apply to the disabled.
Medicare like all healthcare should be an open market and across state lines etc, I remember a story long ago a bunch of retirees in Fl grouped together and got a very good group deal on health insurance.  But that's extremely complicated, a more cash pay system would lower costs for us all.
The truly disabled need help.  I'm not sure who would disagree with that.

no one can be all or nothing with a party and still claim to think for themselves.
absolutely true.


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And you know less than nothing about socialism.
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And you know less than nothing about socialism.
It's impossible to know less then nothing about anything.
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That's a quote straight out of a Lewis Carrol book. :D
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Then deadpee has achieved the impossible.
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surprisingly he has yet to pick up on the fact that I don't respond to him, yet he continues to tag and reply to me, how might one describe someone like that.......so many choice words.
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droughts in the third world would cause starvation
And the the basis//cause  for war over the most precious resource on Earth after oxygen, water middle-east.

Some believe that the parts per million{ ppm } of greenhouse gases is ready beyond the limit of a sustainable humanity beyond 100 years and runaway global temperatures as ice vanishes thereby diminishing reflective processes and ocean temperature to rise rapidlly.

The list of extreme environmental resultants of this runaway temperature is long.

Still there are some others who feel the long-, stem blue prairie grasses, if proliferated over all of the USA's  prairie states could not only stop the increasing carbon pollution but actually reverse those amounts via their deep rooted, most laterally effective and efficient sequestering abilities.

This is pretty much the same tack proliferated in 70's regarding all of USA's energy needs could be met, if the deserts of Arizona and Nevada were covered with solar panels.

Or all of USA's energy needs could be met if all of the prairie states ----ex Texas---- were covered with windmills.
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I didn't know that.
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He is an amusing sort.
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Your fear is my fun. Your unwarranted hubris is even funnier.
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Irratic climate change is not only a problem it may be the demise of all of humanity.


How global warming affects weather parameters link
Rising temperatures can have several effects on the factors involved in weather. For example:
  • They increase the rate of evapotranspiration, which is the total evaporation of water from soil, plants and water bodies. This can have a direct effect on the fequency and intensity of droughts.
  • A warmer atmosphere can hold more water vapour. The atmosphere now holds 4% more water vapour than it did 40 years ago as a result of increasing temperatures. This increases the risk of extreme rainfall events.
  • Changes in sea-surface temperatures (SSTs) also have an effect by bringing about associated changes in atmospheric circulation and precipitation. This has been implicated in some droughts, particularly in the tropics.
These changes don't automatically generate extreme weather events but they change the odds that such events will take place. It is equivalent to the loading of dice, leading to one side being heavier, so that a certain outcome becomes more likely. In the context of global warming, this means that rising temperatures increase the odds of extreme events occurring.
Changes in extreme weather events are already being observed
In the US, the Global Changes Research Program published a report in 2009 entitled Global Climate Change Impacts in the US. The National Climate Change chapter reports the following findings for recent decades:
  • Heavy rainfall events have increased both in frequency and in intensity by 20%, and are the main cause behind the increase in overall precipitation in the US. The Northeast and Midwest have seen the greatest increase in such events.
  • The frequency of drought has increased in areas such as the Southeast and the West, and decreased in other areas. Rising temperatures make droughts more severe and/or widespread, and also lead to the earlier melting of snowpacks, which can exacerbate problems in vulnerable areas.
  • Atlantic hurricanes have increased both in power and frequency, coinciding with warming oceans that provide energy to these storms. In the Eastern Pacific, there have been fewer but stronger hurricanes recently. More research is needed to better understand the extent to which other factors, such as atmospheric stability and circulation, affect hurricane development.
Similarly, Australia has seen the odds of both heavy rainfalls and droughts increase, and similar patterns are being observed worldwide, coinciding with rising temperatures over the past 50 years.  Heat waves are also occurring more frequently as temperatures shift upwards:

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Greenpeace co-founder tears into Ocasio-Cortez, Green New Deal: ‘Pompous little twit’

as he said if climate change is settled why do they continue to study it?

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D-Pirate---as he said if climate change is settled why do they continue to study it?

Because of the clue-less like yourself. Climate dynamics are always changing.

As new data comes in we can better tweak the forecasts. This is common for everyday weather and for long term climate.

You need to educate yourself as you appear to be new to this topic whereas many of us have been paying attenstion to this issue for 40 years or more.

Glad to see you finallly showing and interest to at least ask a question.


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I love the claims of humans being able to reverse climate change, as if these 2 assumptions are true...

1) Humans are the 100% the cause of the current climate change.
2) Humans have the technology to change the climate back to what it was 100 years ago.
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excellent points, the time and money wasted arguing, convincing and studying could have been spend on cleaning up the air and water, but it's not really about that, it's about manipulation imo.
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I was watching this billionaire talk about the climate change hoax as it relates to the "end of the world" predictions.

He said you should never trust scientists that have nothing of real value to lose if they are wrong. Instead, trust people with money to lose if they are wrong. He then goes on to point out that in the last 20 years out of all the beachfront condo new construction projects in Florida, not a single prospectus to investors has a single mention of global warming, climate change, or anything at all related to the potential loss of property due to rising sea levels. If there was even a chance of any of the predictions being true, the financial banks, (who have everything to lose if the dire predictions are remotely true) they would make at least some mention about it when assessing financial risk. Instead people with money know the entire thing is a hoax, and continue to build with the same risk assessments as 100 years ago with zero mention of "climate change"

I'll start worrying when people with money and something to lose start worrying.


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And I love how people say you can't trust rich people invested in oil to make judgements on climate change. 

These are exactly the people I want to listen to because they have billions invested in oil...billions of their OWN PERSONAL WEALTH invested in oil. If there was any truth to any of the climate change predictions, don't you think they would be the first ones to know about it? If they had any sense at all that the price of oil was going to tank due to actual climate change predictions, wouldn't they want to know so they could sell all their stocks and investments BEFORE the price started dropping?

If they don't see a crisis, I surely won't either. Until these billionaires start dumping oil shares, I'll continue to laugh at the pseudo science dire predictions.

This conspiracy crap that billionaires could silence the entire world to actual crisis (as crazy a theory as it is) doesn't even matter. If THEY know the crisis is real..they would be DUMPING THEIR INVESTMENT. Until the people TALKING about Global Warming crisis start ACTING like global warming crisis is real, you can be sure the entire thing is a hoax. Not a single one of the junk scientists predicting the world is going to end in 12 years owns a survival bunker. Think about it.
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the "solutions" are so impractical and absurd anyway, Solyndra, selective memory is a wonderful thing.
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 or we'll end up like other extinct species that couldn't adapt to the climate-change and couldn't stop it either.
Pretty sure there are going to be people able to adapt. The ones that can't prove that the planet is overpopulated.
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so what is your theory as to why the earth is getting hotter?

every theory other than man made is quickly debunked. such as i saw a study that said only a third of our recentwarming is from sun cycles. 
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To be honest. I really don't care if the earth is getting hotter, regardless of the cause. There will be some benefits and some liabilities to a marginally hotter planet, just as there will be benefits and banes with a marginally colder planet; none of which science has really discussed. All you hear about is the dire predictions. What I care about is the dire predictions. None of them are believable because the people supporting the dire predictions do not act like it is a problem in their personal lives.

Al Gore owns 9 million in Ocean front property:
How can you still believe his predictions if he acts like it is all bullshit?

Take a good look at that house. This is the house that hoax built.

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so what is your theory as to why the earth is getting hotter?
Greenhouse Effect{ 1970 - 1985 > Global Warming { 1985- 2000 } > Erratic Climate Change { 2000 - 2020 } >

.........Idiots On Board { 2020 - 2050 cattle industry banned } >

.........What the Hell Is Happening { 2050 - 2125 Crazies Begin to Disintegrate } >

.........Kiss Our Ass Goodbye { 2125 - 3000 } and Sane people begin to disintegrate >

.........Methane Released from Bottom of Oceans { 3000 - 4000 } and Fires rage over all oceans >

........Radical Ideas Introduced { 4000 - 5000 } Ex Attempts to Freeze  the Oceans

7.2 billion people { and increasing } along with their 2-cycle petroleum{ the worst } engines > 4-cylce petroleum { nearly-as- bad } engines.

Coal? Seriously?  Fracking { Oklahoma has some resultant experience }
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California government doesn't even accommodate for recent weather changes as it refuses to build more water reservoir capacity despite its chronic problems with drought. This year saw an amazing amount of mudslides and water runoff straight into the oceans instead of water reservoirs.

And you trust government with managing long term climate changes? What a joke. 
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what I find ironic is California had/has some of the worst air polluted cities in the U.S. and didn't do much to cleanup their own yard.  Yet they want to lecture the rest of the U.S. and world.
Published 12:01 a.m. ET April 18, 2018

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