do you also support democrats declaring a national emergency?

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correct that isn't illegal, entering the county w/o permission is, hence the term illegal or criminal alien, which one can't become until they actually enter the country illegally.
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correct that isn't illegal, entering the county w/o permission is, hence the term illegal or criminal alien, which one can't become until they actually enter the country illegally.
Do you buy fruits and vegetables?

Do you eat at restaurants?

Do you live in a house or an apartment building?

If you do any of these things, then you are supporting immigrants and benefiting from their cheap labor.
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Nowhere on the statue of liberty says we have to take in rapists, drug sellers, and rioters like they have in Tijuana now. Obey the law or GTFO. Simple choice.
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Chilling videos...
Nice appeal to emotion.
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Says the person using idolatry.
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Says the person using idolatry.
Nice non sequitur.
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Do you buy fruits and vegetables?

Do you eat at restaurants?

Do you live in a house or an apartment building?

If you do any of these things, then you are supporting immigrants and benefiting from their cheap labor.
your right, the punishment should be more harsh and e-verify should be mandatory for all business and increased fines, punishments for violations.
I don't really care about them working so long as they are paying proper taxes, it's the drain on my tax money that I don't like and should be stopped.
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You are conflating "caravans" of refugees seeking asylum, funded by "evil-george-soros" (AND) a random mix of super scary ....Criimminals!
Bru7al, you get and E for effort, however, talking rational logical common sense does not work on D-Pirate, G-Parrot other radical//extremmist of the far-right.

You  might as well be talking to alcoholic drunk.  Any info in their direction goes in one ear and out the other with no interference inbetween.



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D-Pirate---I don't really care about them working
Yeah as long as their not working USA.  These radical, far-right extremmist try to wiggle out of there blatant racism and bigotry.

We can not trust a one of them, any further than we can throw 100lbs of potatoes. That ain't far.

They will repeatedly lie and scare monger to support their radical, extremist racism, bigotry and anti-women agenda.

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guess they aren't as bad as the "legal" migrants in Europe LOL
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They are only legal because Europe foolishly places zero restrictions on what qualifies as a "refugee"

That, coupled with a fiercely anti-assimilation policy, has caused the cancer to spread uncontrollably.
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your right, the punishment should be more harsh and e-verify should be mandatory for all business and increased fines, punishments for violations.
You should be telling this guy. [LINK] And this one as well. [LINK]

I don't really care about them working so long as they are paying proper taxes, it's the drain on my tax money that I don't like and should be stopped.
It's not a "drain" on your income.  They are saving you money every time you buy a house, rent an apartment, or buy food at a grocery store or restaurant or pay for a cleaning service.
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It's not a "drain" on your income.  They are saving you money every time you buy a house, rent an apartment, or buy food at a grocery store or restaurant or pay for a cleaning service.
not from the economic people I've listen to, which explain how it's a drain, yet the ones who has it's a benefit have no real figures to support that.

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hmm these people seem to think it's an emergency

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Yah, at one time idiots thought slavery was a good economic plan, until the North steamrolled them with industry.
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And all western Europe have higher standards of living than yankyville.
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Guess all those nordic immigrants to America were just stupid like you.

Burn!


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not from the "economic people" I've listen to, which explain how it's a drain, yet the ones who has it's a benefit have no real figures to support that.
Please reveal the identities of your "economic people" and their "real figures to support that" if you don't mind.

The American Action Forum, a nonpartisan, center-right-leaning think tank, released a study this week breaking down the economic consequences of deporting every unauthorized worker in the US.

The authors of the paper, Ben Gitis and Jacqueline Varas, said that based on an earlier American Action Forum study, the direct costs of dramatically expanding immigration-enforcement agencies and courts to deport roughly 11 million people would already cost the US government an estimated $400 billion to $600 billion.

But beyond the immediate costs of hiring thousands of immigration agents, lawyers, and support staff to remove millions of people from their homes, Gitis and Varas found that the economic effects of suddenly removing millions of workers from the labor force would be enormous.

They found, using estimates of output per worker in each of those industries, that the cost in lost output would be in the hundreds of billions of dollars (emphasis ours):

"Overall, removing all undocumented immigrants would cause private sector output to decline by between $381.5 billion and $623.2 billion. This translates to a 2.9 percent to 4.7 percent reduction in total annual output from the private sector."

Gitis and Varas went on to say that this estimate is based solely on what would be lost from removing unauthorized workers from these industries, and it doesn't include other economic effects like investment and consumption by the group. [LINK]

The upshot is that there are not enough American high-school dropouts to fill the labor gap, AND American high-school drop outs WILL NOT work those jobs, even if wages increased.  THEREFORE labor AND production will move OVERSEAS (or more immediately to Mexico).

Moving labor and production overseas will impact large numbers of native citizen's jobs that are peripherally related to these industries.
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this is about stopping illegals from coming in, the national emergency is about border security and or a wall, not deportation.
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Please reveal the identities of your "economic people" and their "real figures to support that" if you don't mind.
Bru7al, you dont really expect D-Pirate to actually use their "mind"//intellect, do you?

Mind = rational, logical common sense

Trumpanzee = brain//brawn over mind//intellect

Trumpanzees have only one economy and that is the free market -----profit-is-all-that-matters----  of Earths infinite resources of wealth for the top 1%- billionares and rising.

Trumpanzees only see one emergency and that is their corporate profit margins.  Trumps firing of his illegal employees is just a temporary set back, until no one is once again, not looking closely at the truth//reality.

See no truth, hear no truth speak no truth in a world where corporate profits rise and rise and rise.

We are, climbing, Trumpanzee's ladder, we are, climbing Trumpanzee's ladder, soldiers, of the, cross t



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hmm these people seem to think it's an emergency
Drugs - An unpatrolled, unmonitored wall is easily breachable with common tools and or explosives which cartels already have access to.

Gang Violence - Gang violence is a problem in Mexico.  A wall will have no effect on this.

Cartel Violence - Cartel violence is a problem in Mexico.  A wall will have no effect on this.

Human Trafficking - Action should be taken, but a wall will have no effect on this.

Overdose deaths - 17,029 (35%) out of 47,600 involved prescription drugs. [LINK]

The GAO study released on 1 May analyzes the extent to which alternative tactics are used by criminal organizations. The United States Government Accountability Office’s study cites Department of Homeland Security (DHS) data showing that there were 67 discovered cross-border tunnels, 534 ultralight aircraft incursions, and 309 drug smuggling incidents involving fishing and recreational vessels along U.S. mainland borders from 2011 through 2016. [LINK]

Mexican cartels “transport the bulk of their drugs over the Southwest Border through ports of entry (POEs) using passenger vehicles or tractor trailers,” the Drug Enforcement Administration said in a 2015 report. “The drugs are typically secreted in hidden compartments when transported in passenger vehicles or comingled with legitimate goods when transported in tractor trailers.” [LINK]

Founder and president of the Washington, D.C.-based Human Trafficking Legal Center Martina Vandenberg told CNN that the majority of human trafficking victims in the United States — roughly two thirds — are actually U.S. citizens. What's more, Vandenberg said that the majority of foreign-born human trafficking victims come into the United States legally on visas. [LINK]
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this is about stopping illegals from coming in, the national emergency is about border security and or a wall, not deportation.
Randomly declares scope of discussion.

Randomly moves the goal-posts.

Randomly dodges questions regarding verifiable assertions.
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this isn't an all or nothing issue, to claim it will have no effect is untrue.

MS-13 members enter the U.S. illegally, which proves gang violence isn't only a problem in Mexico, so again that is untrue.

Walls work that's why they are used in prisons, mansions and other places that people want protected.

You do know the biggest Democrat loud mouths who don't want border security were in favor of it when Obama was president, right?  Pull up Pelosie and Schumer on youtube and hear the very words that come out of their mouths about barriers and border security, as well as what they say about the illegals.  They have walls around their homes.

those who listen and are honest know even Trump says more than just walls are needed.

Border patrol agents, who probably know more about the realities of anyone say better barriers are needed.
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it's in the title, it's about stopping people getting in, you moved them by talking about deporting the illegals already in, stick to the topic.
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MS-13 members enter the U.S. illegally, which proves gang violence isn't only a problem in Mexico, so again that is untrue.


How do the KKK and other neo nazis get in?
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WOW! Amazing! And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on, truth keeps pounding rhythm to the brain, and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on..sung to Sonny and Cher...

Drugs - An unpatrolled, unmonitored wall is easily breachable with common tools and or explosives which cartels already have access to.

Gang Violence - Gang violence is a problem in Mexico.  A wall will have no effect on this.

Cartel Violence - Cartel violence is a problem in Mexico.  A wall will have no effect on this.

Human Trafficking - Action should be taken, but a wall will have no effect on this.

Overdose deaths - 17,029 (35%) out of 47,600 involved prescription drugs. [LINK]

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MS-13 members enter the U.S. illegally, which proves gang violence isn't only a problem in Mexico, so again that is untrue.
MS-13 members have access to military grade weaponry and explosives.  They can cut a hole in your unpatrolled, unmonitored wall in no time flat.

Or dig a tunnel under it.

Or fly an ultralight over it.

Or take a boat around it.

Or smuggle anything they want through an under-funded, under-resourced LEGAL POE.
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Except border patrol says most of the cartel coyotes are not doing these things. Why do you hate border patrol?
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You do know the biggest Democrat loud mouths who don't want border security were in favor of it when Obama was president, right?  Pull up Pelosie and Schumer on youtube and hear the very words that come out of their mouths about barriers and border security, as well as what they say about the illegals.  They have walls around their homes.
Bushie Jr. said he wanted a wall from sea-to-shining-sea and democrats looked at the data and concluded that, yes, in some areas a wall-fence-barrier makes sense, where there are points of entry and patrols, but it does not make sense EVERYWHERE.

Your team is screaming bloody murder about super scary CRIMINALS and yes, CRIMINALS are super scary, EVERYONE ALREADY AGREES WITH YOU ABOUT THAT.

But when you make the logical leap to, "a wall is the perfect solution and will magically fix ALL CRIME!!!!!!!!!" this simply doesn't make any sense and there is no evidence to support such a ridiculous claim.
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Except border patrol says most of the cartel coyotes are not doing these things. Why do you hate border patrol?
Coyotes, who make thousands of dollars per person transported, can't figure out how to cut a hole in an unpatrolled, unmonitored wall in the middle of nowhere?