Evil exists and is therefore evidence for the existence of an all powerful and all good God.

How would you argue against this? [accidentally deleted the part where you say evil is something but not a thing, sorry]

In fact God cannot be responsible for making it because it is not a thing.

If there is no God, Then there is no standard of morality.

If there are no standards of morality - you can't say anything is evil

1 An all powerful God could eliminate evil

2 An all good God would want to eliminate evil.

3 Evil exists

4 therefore God probably does not exist.

But the question is - what is evil?

The abilities of a All powerful god.

You talk about these All powerful gods like there is only one in the world 

However if you were talking about  (  A mega super gold god ) well thats another story.  

I myself highly doubt god would be able to make a sandwich. 

Can you Use another  word otherthen " evil " ? 

Or we can introduce  " A SCALE OF EVILESSNESSES "   A potato scale maybe ?

1 potato is = ummmmmm not that bad. And ten tatos is the worst ever. 

Then we will discuss the word  BAD.

But this will be all ( ACCORDING TO YOU. ) 

This is probably the main reason why i don't eat sun dried tomatoes.

I think theists don't want hear and definitely not except somthing like this. 

Are you Ready? 

If a person kidnapped , tortured , and ate half a dozen kids, well when this person dies he will meet the same thing as the kids he killed. 

Now its only a assumption. 

Its only a asumption. 

Now this is a wild idea , so I'm just going to say it.

The jew the Christian the Muslim the atheist , i suspect we are all just ummmmmmmmmmm . Like humans. 

The same thing happens after death. 

Crazy right. ?

The God you refer to is not good. He killed and raped. Get over it. Evil exist in men because it exist in gods. 

Which atheist?

If you start with lies why would anyone believe you. You have no idea what atheists think and as an atheist neither do I, I do know what I think and that is that you are a proven liar.

Evil is the absence of good.

And although sometimes people might suggest it is a set of bad things - which in many ways is the same thing - we need to define or at least measure good or bad or right and wrong or evil and bad. 

For us to recognise evil - we must have a measure, otherwise it is simply an opinion. An opinions might be incorrect, but otherwise like someone mentioned in a different place - it is also subjective - to the point that "rape" may not be evil but just that we have an opinion that it is evil. 

hi disgusted, sorry this topic has so upset you.

It is no lie to say that Atheists often use the old arguments - that I summarised in the op.

Richard Dawkins is a prime example. Many others - and I dare say you have too (at least if you are honest with yourself). 

Atheists like any other group or groups in this world are full of people who like to think they are unique and individual and no one can work them out.

Atheists in general have a common worldview - that is distinct from other groups in general. 

the atheist likes to suggest the following:An all powerful God could eliminate evilAn all good God would want to eliminate evil.Evil existstherefore God probably does not exist.But the question is - what is evil?Evil is something but it is not some thing. It is not a thing so God did not need to make it.

In fact God cannot be responsible for making it because it is not a thing.So what is evil?Evil is the absence of good. It is the hole in the proverbial donut. It is a shadow - it is coldness - that exists because of a lack of heat.Evil is therefore not defined by what it is - but by what it is not.Evil is therefore a departure from a perfect standard of good.There must be a perfect standard of good to measure good and evil.Good is closer to the benchmark and evil is further away from it.Therefore evil is a problem for the atheist not for the theist.If there is no God, Then there is no standard of morality.If there are no standards of morality - you can't say anything is evil.Therefore if you recognise evil - this is evidence for God, Not against God.How would you argue against this?

Evil is something but it is not some thing. It is not a thing so God did not need to make it.

In fact God cannot be responsible for making it because it is not a thing.

I'm just asking Trade what he thinks of the passage. To me it seems to indicate that creating a positive necessarily creates a negative, but that God is still the author of that negative as much as he is the author of the positive. Without contrast, nothing has definition. But who made that rule?

Not to justify that passage just yet, but have you read that whole chapter?

Even if we conclude from that verse alone that God "creates" evil, it's still not an object or a thing. I'll tell you what, read that chapter in full and then I'll post another passage that may balance that one out. First read that chapter (not just that verse) and tell me what ya think. 

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: