What do you believe?

Paris is the capital of France, but do you know the capital of Paris?

My assumption here is that you are asking me what the capital building is, something equivilant perhaps to the Russian Kremlin or U.S. Capitol, to which my answer would be no.

According to post 12 one of things is creationism. Would you like to give a brief general description of how you came to that conclusion?

in a debate one normally lays out one's reasons in a neat list of bullet points, together with nice, logical argument.   in the real world we acquire our beliefs about the world chaotically.  I didn't sit down with reasons for evolution in one column and reasons aginst it in another.  As a kid i read a lot of science books and magazines and had the barest minimum of exposure to religion.  I don't even remember learning about evolution.  if you told me at age 11 there were people who took gen 1 as fact I probably wouldn't have believed you!  

I am left wondering whether growing up the way you did really is really the reason you believe creationism to be bullshit or whether it was perhaps just a catylist that allowed other reasons to lead you to that conclusion.

Is there anything, even outside of a debate setting as you say, that you could learn or experience that would convince you that this belief is innaccurate?

i said 'nonsense', not bullshit!  BS makes it sound i'm a zealot! 

You are correct - there is a y in catalyst but your aim was a bit off!

Of course. I have an open mind and I always evaluate fresh information fully and objetively.  

Now that was bullshit!   I can invent fanciful scenrios where I'd have to change my mind about creationism, but in the real world that ain't gonna happen.

Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth

Remember that I did not ask you to give me examples of things that you conclude from your moral values, which is what you have done, but instead to briefly explain the general idea underlying your values. Is it possible for you to do this in a few sentences or less?

That's something you'll unlikely receive from any Christians considering they are not taught morals or ethics, they are taught to heed commands, but they have no idea why because their holy book never explains. This is why they'll tell you on one hand they are supposed to love everyone then turn around and discriminate against the very same people they are supposed to love, due to some other verse that commands them to discriminate or hate.

Christians have no moral compass, they only regurgitate the commands from Scriptures or intrepreted commands from their religous leaders and will often either contradict themselves or be hypocrites by doing one thing then telling you not to do the very same thing. It's easy for them to lie, but they don't know they're lying because they haven't the capacity or capability to understand what they're doing is wrong.

That's something you'll unlikely receive from any Christians considering they are not taught morals or ethics, they are taught to heed commands, but they have no idea why because their holy book never explains.

I believe I exist.

Are you questioning your own existence?

briefly explain the general idea underlying your values

That doesn't seem like an issue for the purposes of this conversation.

I assumed it would be based on what you asked about values as I suspected you were looking for the reasons why someone has moral values. To say they came from Scriptures is fine, but that means the person doesn't understand how morals and ethics are understood.

If one says they get their morals and ethics from using reason, logic and compassion, then one has a basis for dealing with most moral and ethical issues. But, if all they can say is they get their morals from Scriptures, then they have no clue how to deal with moral and ethical issues and will find they will often contradict themselves or simply do the wrong thing, which is often what we observe.

The purpose of this thread is not to finish the  cross-examination of Euthyphro that Socrates began.

The purpose of this thread is instead to examine the reasons behind ones beliefs.

Do you have such a deeply-held belief that you wish to be examined, or are you here just to stalk Supa?

The purpose of this thread is not to finish the cross-examination of Euthyphro that Socrates began.

The purpose of this thread is instead to examine the reasons behind ones beliefs.

The latter was exactly what I was referring, not the former.

Partly to do with my belief in solipsism.

I knew we were going to go down this road. 

Do you now see why I asked that question at the start?

Wait, can we start over. I've got a better belief that you'll enjoy because I've pretty much already won.