And supply the best standard of living anywhere in the world, you fail to understand absolutely anything. Never mind you're American, it's accepted.No socialist countries are smaller and tax the crap out of people
Mike Pence for President.
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@disgusted
At a huge cost. Something the individual states may not agree to. You seem to think Sweden functions like the US or UK. It doesn't. It also doesn't spend on military or territories. Fucking tard. They also have decided that murderers don't need prisons but give them apartments with nice yards. You have no understanding how much places like the UK and US spend so Scandinavia can do what they like.
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@Alec
However, if abortion is punished the same way as murder, I imagine it would bring abortion rates down even more.
Immoral, sick in the head Trumpanzees need to be Locked Away from Civilized Society!
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Accept me for what I am, not what others falsely project that I am
And the conceptualized egg shouts out,
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breaths air, hoever, have no doubt, that
I Am Somebody and some day,
I will be set free from my attachment to this woman.
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@disgusted
So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument.No objection if that were the case.It must be the case given your definition that this group of cells is a separate living human being, separate living humans beings do not require the support of the internal functions of another human being. Hence abortion will have no effect on your mythicak definition.
Congratulations. Arguments!
Although the unborn receives it nutrients and support system from the woman's environment, it has everything within itself to develop and grow what it is. The 23 chromosomes it receives from each parent forms the code that works internally in its development. Whether its environment is in the womb or outside it still needs basic supplies for life.
“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”
Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.
“Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal and postnatal periods, it is important to realize that birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.”
The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology fifth edition, Moore and Persaud, 1993, Saunders Company, page 1“Thus a new cell is formed from the union of a male and a female gamete. [sperm and egg cells] The cell, referred to as the zygote, contains a new combination of genetic material, resulting in an individual different from either parent and from anyone else in the world.”
Sally B Olds, et al., Obstetric Nursing (Menlo Park, California: Addison – Wesley publishing, 1980) P 136 “Fertilization – the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism – is the culmination of a multitude of intricately regulated cellular processes.”
Marcello et al., Fertilization, ADV. EXP. BIOL. 757:321 (2013)
In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005 (Prenatal Development Video)
“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.”
Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99
“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum
anda much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”
Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974
“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, [at conception] the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”
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So, as you can see, human life begins at fertilization where a unique INDIVIDUAL human being starts to grow into what it is. Thus, the woman is complicit in murdering another human being.
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@disgusted
When Human Life Begins
American College of Pediatricians – March 2017
ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins
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Although the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 1965 attempted to redefine “conception” to mean implantation rather than fertilization, medical dictionaries and even English language dictionaries both before and after 19665,6 define “conception” as synonymous with fertilization (sometimes via the intermediary term of “fecundation”).7,8,9 Moore’s 1974 edition of a human embryology textbook states that development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum is fertilized by a sperm and ends at death. It is a process of change and growth that transforms the zygote, a single cell, into a multicellular adult human being. Moore’s 2008 edition emphasizes that development does not end at birth but extends into early adulthood.1 Professor Emeritus of Human Embryology of the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Dr. C. Ward Kischer, affirms that “Every human embryologist, worldwide, states that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception).”11 Even authors who philosophically lean towards not attributing the same value to human life at the one-cell stage as they do to later stages of development admit that “As far as human ‘life’ per se, it is, for the most part, uncontroversial among the scientific and philosophical community that life begins at the moment when the genetic information contained in the sperm and ovum combine to form a genetically unique cell.”
...The single-celled embryo is a very different kind of cell than that of sperm or oocyte, and contains a unique genome that will determine most future bodily features and functions of his or her lifetime...
The single-celled embryo is a very different kind of cell than that of sperm or oocyte, and contains a unique genome that will determine most future bodily features and functions of his or her lifetime...
It is clear that from the time of cell fusion, the embryo consists of elements (from both maternal and paternal origin) which function interdependently in a coordinated manner to carry on the function of the development of the human organism. From this definition, the single-celled embryo is not just a cell, but an organism, a living being, a human being.
The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that corroborates that a unique human life starts when the sperm and egg bind to each other in a process of fusion of their respective membranes and a single hybrid cell called a zygote, or one-cell embryo, is created.***
Your position goes against scientific evidence.
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@disgusted
In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?It is not a "growth" but a human being.The remove it and let it live as a human being.
It needs the nutrients the woman supplies. That does not make it less of an individual human being.
You are using dehumanizing language to make the unborn less than what it is. Hitler used the same tactics with the Jews and others he considered undesirable. It resulted in the extermination of around 11-12 million people - those deformed, people of color, mentally challenged, those that opposed the State, and Jews.How many Godwin awards do you have on your mantelpiece?
How many do you have and what does this have to do with abortion? It is completely irrelevant to the debate on whether all humans have intrinsic value or how devaluing humans has resulted in their deaths way too often.
Why should someone have the right to kill an innocent human being? That is the question I want you to answer.No one has a right to kill another human being but that is irrelevant to the question at hand. That question is what gives you a right to interfere with the autonomous control of a woman's body?
There, you said it - no one has a right to kill another human being. You have just destroyed your own argument. The woman is complicit in killing another human being.
So, as a human being, I have a humanitarian obligation. Pro-lifers give their voices and stand for the rights of the unborn human being to live and not be treated with less value than other human beings. It is just common decency to protect those who are innocent and need protection.
Why should the woman have no consequences for her sexual promiscuity?Good ole christian punishment applied exclusively to women, why don't you burn her at the stake, misogynist. Carrying a fetus fullterm is now punishment. hahaha. Is it that god that claims to be LOVE punishing her. You people disgust me.
What is disgusting is that you think a person has the right to kill another innocent person, one who has done nothing wrong. Where is the love in that? If a wrong is done then just punishment should be the consequences. Burning at a stake is not just or humane. It is as barbaric as killing the innocent unborn.
So, what outweighs what - an inconvenience and discomfort for nine months or termination?A woman's right to bodily autonomy outweighs your misogyny.
So, you are saying that putting an end to an inconvenient pregnancy allows murder, that it is okay to kill other human beings because they infringe on selfish bodily autonomy at the expense of another. You confuse my stance as the misogynistic one. It is you who are spewing forth this venom that takes no account of the right of the innocent forming human being. Abortion is a selfish act. It denies another human being the right to live - the most basic human right of all.
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@disgusted
I see you've given up on your spurious and ignorant claims, it's time to run away again golfer. bahahahahahahahaJust BTW they've been socialist for decades, I told you before get an education but you continue to get only propaganda.
It is obvious to most who has the bogus argument, and it is not me. And their socialism is causing problems that have been brewing for decades.
And you can't refute my argument so you run off crying to mummy that I won't let your lies stand. Oh boo hoo.
Typical tactic of leftists - cry, make an emotional and fallacious appeal to pity, and try to turn the tables into false charges when it is them, not me, who avoids the issue by continually attacking the person making the argument instead of the argument itself.
North Korea, or China, or Russia, or Cuba, or Venezuela?You've had these countries pegged as communist for years, as a godist I understand your desperate need to keep moving the goalposts but I'll just continue to replace them where they belong BECAUSE they make your arguments look stupid.
Communist is some cases, socialist in all. The point is that if you think that socialism works, take a look at its track record. If you want such a system in America you fail to recognize how such a system of big government destroys a society over time. If you think that life is better in a socialist country try experiencing one. I lived in two, one for 14 years, the other for a year.
I see a danger with leftist liberalism that propagates and leaves the masses thinking they will be better off under such conditions as they want to impose when it never works in the long run.
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@disgusted
Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living than anywhere else in the world, game cancelled for lack of opposition.
And the negative effects of socialism are being felt.
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@mustardness
#180 --Again, it boils down to what the unborn is and the value is put on that life. That is the key to the debate.0} keep your immoral, virtual rapist{?}, religous Trumpanzee nose *v* out of the pregnant womans bodily business, unless she gives you her consent.Do you understand that? No. I didnt think. I think were dealing with an inbreeding problem with PGA2.
Again, you do an injustice to yourself by attacking me rather than making your case against my arguments. It just goes to show others that you do not have adequate retorts, thus you focus on me rather than my arguments. You ridicule me, not my position, calling me immoral without sufficient proof, a virtual rapist for defending the innocent unborn human being, me, a person who IYO, is incapable of understanding, while you give no suitable rebuttal to justify changing my position, and then make it even more personally insulting by attacking my heritage.
1} unborn ergo human being that, has not taken its first IN-spiration,Do you understand this distinction between unborn-inside pregnant woman ---see #2-- and born-out? No? I didnt think so. Inbreeding problem is bigger concern for humanity.
More ad hom arguments, portraying me like an imbecile and inbreed instead of addressing the argument.
What does inbreeding have to do with abortion?
So, you believe it is okay to kill human beings, you just make a distinction on which ones. If it is okay to kill one group of human beings why is it not okay to kill another group, or do you believe it is okay to kill other groups?
2} fertilized-egg/zygote/embryo/fetus/baby is an organism of the pregnant woman....and let me repeat that for any inbred people reading this
The unborn is a separate organism, a human being, different from the woman. It lives within the environment of the womb and receives its nourishment and life support from the womb.
More insults underlined which show you have made this personal and you are being very petty in that you can't treat the argument on its merit alone. You have to malign my character also.
.....2a}fertilized egg/fetus/baby is an organism of the pregnant woman.... Now open your closed narrow mind for evidential data to support my oppinion"Therefore, it would appear that complex interactions take place between the oviductal epithelium and the embryo.
Again, you poison the well by making it seem that it is my mind that is not open to the facts but you fail to look at your own mind.
So what if an interaction takes place. You interact from your environment too and rely on it for your survival. Does that make you less human?
Again, so what? The unborn interacts with its environment and gets what it needs from its environment just like you do. Does that make you or it less human?
4} keep your immoral, virtual rapist{?}, quasi-religous, Trumpanzee nose *v* out of a pregnant womans bodily concerns, unless she gives you consent to stick your virutal rapist{?} nose *v* in there. Do you understand? No?
My virtual nose is not in her body. I am raising a moral argument against abortion, one that you have not sufficiently responded to.
Then let me repeat in case your apparrent inbreeding is holding back your intellectual development.
Off topic but prove I was inbred.
5} keep....your....immoral........virutal rapist{?} .....quasi-religious..... radical extremism..... and Trumpanzee..... nose *v*.......out of....pregnant womens....bodily business.......unless...they.....give....you....their.....consent....to stick...your.....nose *v*........there.
Nice repetition! What are you trying to say???
6} Do.....you....understand......any....of....the....previous.....comments......above?
Not in relation to the argument on abortion. How is attacking me making a case for your position? It just makes you seem childish, IMO.
7} This is the umpteenth time Ive repeated them for you. I will not continue this ridiculous immature childs mind play with you much longer.
Ah, you recognize you are being childish! That is the first baby step! Congratulations!
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@PGA2.0
Ah, you recognize you are being childish! That is the first baby step! Congratulations!
Nice roast.
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@Alec
Ah, you recognize you are being childish! That is the first baby step! Congratulations!Nice roast.
A mild ad hom in response to a massive onslaught. (^8
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@disgusted
You keep running away from this Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living. Your arguments live in the cesspit that is America.Socialism works.
I'm telling you that 48,294 Swedish people currently in the USA disagree with you. If you have an issue with them, take it up with them, not me.
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@PGA2.0
What does (^8 mean?
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@Alec
|^8 = NPC...(^8 = Thinking person.
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@Alec
Kind of like a smiley face or grin.What does (^8 mean?
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@PGA2.0
Although the unborn receives it nutrients and support system from the woman's environment, it has everything within itself to develop and grow what it is.
So therefore abortion will make no discernible difference to it and you have no argument, unless you're lying.
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@PGA2.0
Scandinavia proves you wrong but don't let reality impinge on your indoctrinated fascism.
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@PGA2.0
You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.
Pence would be better in Trump socially and some policies.
He would favor middle class and blue collar jobs and keep the same policies Trump did without the wall
he would be better socially too.
It's Trump without the memes and the douchiness
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@disgusted
Not surprising when you consider their immoral leader is pathological liar and more narcissistic than most anyone Ive ever seen on tv or even heard of.You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.
Seriously these Trumpanzees treat Idio-ump as if he were spiritual leader that is close to divine. Go figure and you will find a large of percentage of these Trumpanzees have issues that you and I would not consider in most average humans with moral and intellectual integrity.
Take a close look at those idio-ump has surrounded himself, and then see how many have crimminal civil lawsuits ---most of all Idio-ump--- and charged or indited or in prison.
Then look at his personal lawyers who left him in disgust.
Then look at all the strong idio-ump republicans who have to leave office in disgrace.
Seriously the list of immoral behavior --if not pathological--- surrounding Trumps is beyond measure with any president in history, that I'm aware of.
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@disgusted
Although the unborn receives it nutrients and support system from the woman's environment, it has everything within itself to develop and grow what it is.So therefore abortion will make no discernible difference to it and you have no argument, unless you're lying.
By growing into what it is I mean that it will grow into the person that it is, so I don't understand your point at all.
What is it that you are trying to say???
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@disgusted
How is that? What documentary evidence have you presented? All you have done is make assertions. Let me see your facts and then we will discuss them.Scandinavia proves you wrong but don't let reality impinge on your indoctrinated fascism.
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@disgusted
You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.
You misrepresent me. Where have I ever stated I have a right to a woman's body?
What I have argued is that the woman's rights should not exceed the rights of the unborn by causing its death. What is discomfort for nine months as weighed or contrasted to death?
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@PGA2.0
You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.
You misrepresent me. Where have I ever stated I have a right to a woman's body?
Here:
What I have argued is that the woman's rights should not exceed the rights of the unborn by causing its death. What is discomfort for nine months as weighed or contrasted to death?
In order to get to the fetus you need to take control of the woman's body from her, you are obviously well short of comprehending that very simple FACT. And don't ever inject that misogynist canard about 9mths of discomfort again, you know you are lying you are a man and have no right to discuss every woman's body as if you own it. Go and pray to your infanticidal, genocidal god and pray for nuclear Armageddon (Trump Style) so billions of real humans can be killed.
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@disgusted
You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.You misrepresent me. Where have I ever stated I have a right to a woman's body?Here:What I have argued is that the woman's rights should not exceed the rights of the unborn by causing its death. What is discomfort for nine months as weighed or contrasted to death?In order to get to the fetus you need to take control of the woman's body from her, you are obviously well short of comprehending that very simple FACT. And don't ever inject that misogynist canard about 9mths of discomfort again, you know you are lying you are a man and have no right to discuss every woman's body as if you own it. Go and pray to your infanticidal, genocidal god and pray for nuclear Armageddon (Trump Style) so billions of real humans can be killed.
The abortionist doctor does a very good job of taking control of her body, but not only that, abortion clinics do a very good job of indoctrinating the woman into thinking of the unborn as nothing more than a blob of tissue or devaluing its worth, the very thing a woman who chooses to kill her offspring is doing. She devalues it and treats it a piece of garbage instead of what it is a human being. WHAT ABOUT ITS RIGHTS? The woman selfishly ignores its rights because they are not important or inconvenient to her.
You go and continue to put yourself in the place of God and worship yourself, you, the Great I Am, full of wisdom and self-appointed knowledge.
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@PGA2.0
Why does something unborn and unthinking deserve rights? It hasn't achieved anything, experienced anything or contributed anything. It's a net drain on the woman and will be a net drain on society for years to come.
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@Vader
Pence would be the Pope running the US. I am not Catholic nor do I want to be.
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@Polytheist-Witch
We still live in a country of freedom of religion.
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@Vader
Not if Pence become President. And don't pretend Christians don't have a stranglehold on the US.
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@Polytheist-Witch
This is too extreme of a saying. Changing the Bill of Rights is VERY HARD and would have to go through Congress, which simply will not happen with House under Dem controls