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@Alec
If you were gay you could just choose not to be gay, it's a choice after all but if it's not a choice and is natural then how do you propose to convert them?
Mike Pence for President.
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@Alec
And then comes the theocracy. Have fun with that.
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@disgusted
Is it a human being?If it is not a human being then what kind of being is it?It's a part of a woman's body. You have no say in how she treats her own body.
No, it is not part of her body. It is a separate entity. It is not her. It is different from her. She does not have a penis but the entity inside her, if male does. How does that equate to her???
If it is a human being then it is being discriminated against. So, it is a human being? THAT is the question.That is not the question at all. The question is does a woman have autonomy over her own body? The answer is yes. Anything else is misogyny.
Sure it is the question. Do you have autonomy over your own body to use it to kill another innocent human being? No, you don't. Yet you think the woman should have this "right." How hypocritical that kind of thinking is.
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@disgusted
I disagree. Overturning Roe v Wade would be treating all humans as they should be treatedAs long as there is an equivalent legislation making your bodily autonomy illegal, go for it. Treating all humans equally. Don't grow a cancer or you will have to apply to a government authority to have it removed. Is it that wingnuts can't think that makes them wingnuts or does being a wingnut prevent them from thinking.
My bodily autonomy does not allow me to use it to kill another innocent human being, only to defend myself if my life is threatened maliciously.
The unborn is not "cancer" and discriminatory and devaluing, dehumanizing language like that is the kind you see from those who exploit the innocent like most dictators do to stay in power. Such ideas as bodily autonomy at the expense of the innocent are vicious and degrading, IMO, and sick. I have yet to see a valid argument for abortion unless the woman's life is in danger and the unborn will not survive if she dies.
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@Alec
I understand that some people in the LGBT community are pressured, and they should not be pressured into it. However, some of them would want to get it on their own. If I were a religious LGBT person, I would want conversion therapy or something to make me straight and cis.
Exception conversion therapy doesn't work and isn't victim-less. Banning conversion protection protects minors or otherwise vulnerable people from predatory practices, and this trumps anyone's right to self-delusion
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@PGA2.0
This unborn that you rant about is a part of the woman's body and she has autonomous control of her body and you have no position at all. You will need to apply to a panel of women should you want to have a cancer removed if you claim a right to determine what a woman can do with her body. Why can't you god warriors understand very simple principles but worship fairy tales?
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@PGA2.0
In that case removing that growth would not affect it in the slightest, you and your fellow god warrior misogynists should be collecting all these humans from abortion clinics and bringing them up as your own. The fetus is only a part of the woman's body, not some fantasy creature of your imagination.No, it is not part of her body. It is a separate entity. It is not her. It is different from her. She does not have a penis but the entity inside her, if male does. How does that equate to her???
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@PGA2.0
You continue to lie about murdering humans, the only human involved in this discussion is the woman the human that you claim doesn't have the same bodily autonomy that you demand for yourself. You are a misogynist bigot, you demand rights that you want to deny other humans, 50% of the population in fact. Stop telling lies or is it that you are completely and utterly ignorant?Sure it is the question. Do you have autonomy over your own body to use it to kill another innocent human being? No, you don't. Yet you think the woman should have this "right." How hypocritical that kind of thinking is.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Conversion therapy and other ways to make gay people straight are legal in most states. The left wants to ban it nationwide. The right wants to keep them legal for gays who want to change.
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@disgusted
For the gays that want it, they can go to counseling to become straight. They also can have conversion therapy if they want too. What's wrong with allowing them to become straight? You cite that it's "bad" however, lets say for the sake of big boy argument that it is bad. Smoking is bad for the individual, people have the right to do that. Just because something is bad does not mean it should be banned.
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@disgusted
And then comes the theocracy. Have fun with that.
Just because your pro life on the basis of scientific evidence does not make you theocratic. That's why I'm pro life; because of science and logic. Also, here's an offer that liberals like you might take; DACA rights in exchange for overturning Roe V Wade and making abortion illegal is our 28th amendment.
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@dustryder
Probably the most polite liberal on this forum. May the other liberals follow your example.
Exception conversion therapy doesn't work
It might work. I think it's like a gym. It is hard and if you force fat people to go to a gym, they might develop mental health problems. However, if you want to be in a more fit shape, then you would enjoy the gym. Just as some people want to go to the gym, some people might want conversion therapy.
Banning conversion protection protects minors or otherwise vulnerable people from predatory practices, and this trumps anyone's right to self-delusion
What if it was legal but only for those 18 and older? This way, anyone who goes to conversion therapy does so on their own.
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@Alec
Conversion therapy and other ways to make gay people straight are legal in most states. The left wants to ban it nationwide. The right wants to keep them legal for gays who want to change.
ah ok, people should be able to peruse this if they want, I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to, their mind, their body, their right oh wait guess that only applies to one thing lol.
You can't make gay people straight and a minor should not be forced to go to a place like this. Adults choosing to go is on them.
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@disgusted
This unborn that you rant about is a part of the woman's body and she has autonomous control of her body and you have no position at all. You will need to apply to a panel of women should you want to have a cancer removed if you claim a right to determine what a woman can do with her body. Why can't you god warriors understand very simple principles but worship fairy tales?
Such a ridiculous argument. If it is part of her body does she have male organs (a penis) then?
No one should have autonomous control over their body when it results in the death of an innocent human being.
I don't have to appeal to a panel of leftist women who have a particular bias and a dull sense of right and wrong.
Why can't you understand the simple principles of intrinsic value for all human beings? Would you want to be treated as you treat the unborn, where you take one class of human beings and alienate them as not human, something to be disposed of and thrown away? And you do it with the most helpless of all human beings, those who can't yet defend themselves.
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@disgusted
No, it is not part of her body. It is a separate entity. It is not her. It is different from her. She does not have a penis but the entity inside her, if male does. How does that equate to her???In that case removing that growth would not affect it in the slightest, you and your fellow god warrior misogynists should be collecting all these humans from abortion clinics and bringing them up as your own. The fetus is only a part of the woman's body, not some fantasy creature of your imagination.
You are not removing a growth but a human being. Again you use language that dehumanizes another human being. Then you start malicious name calling and labeling of people of faith to demonize them also. How tolerant and merciful!
When you examine every society that segregates and dehumanizes other human beings it starts by making them lesser than the rest of society so that they can justify their inhumane treatment. And it exposes a hatred of things that do not jive with their warped ideals. There is no tolerance there, no respect for those who disagree, but an intolerant labeling and propaganda campaign.
That campaign in the USA is used by the Democrat left. They have gained control of the media, institutions of higher learning, the arts and entertainment industry, corporate America, and even those who have fled from persecution through illegal immigration, IMO, the same Party that was responsible for the KKK. They use a smear campaign every day to influence those who have bought into their lies, IMO. Even when their lies are exposed they do not retract the false narrative. And again, IMO, they won't be happy until the country is a third world socialist State. Their values are all screwed up.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm glad we agree on this.Adults choosing to go is on them.
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@Alec
I think the programs are a detriment but so is a lot of things that adults choose to do. Free country. But I do have an issue with forcing minors.
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@disgusted
Sure it is the question. Do you have autonomy over your own body to use it to kill another innocent human being? No, you don't. Yet you think the woman should have this "right." How hypocritical that kind of thinking is.You continue to lie about murdering humans, the only human involved in this discussion is the woman the human that you claim doesn't have the same bodily autonomy that you demand for yourself. You are a misogynist bigot, you demand rights that you want to deny other humans, 50% of the population in fact. Stop telling lies or is it that you are completely and utterly ignorant?
Science says otherwise. It says the unborn is a living human being, not some other kind of being like a cat or fish or dog but a distinct entity in its own right that is developing each day into what it is.
Again, your underlined language shows your radical intolerance and smear campaign, IMO. I mention it to direct others to your tactics and show how you devalue an opinion that does not agree with yours, and you do this all on a claim. Never do you provide any evidence of your position. On the other hand, I have documented mine many times. I have even debated the position and challenge you to a debate on the very topic.
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@Alec
There has been no objective peer-reviewed research that says someone's orientation can change. It's on the same level as homeopathy in terms of scientific veracity. And there have been many studies showing the inefficacy of it.It might work. I think it's like a gym. It is hard and if you force fat people to go to a gym, they might develop mental health problems. However, if you want to be in a more fit shape, then you would enjoy the gym. Just as some people want to go to the gym, some people might want conversion therapy.
What if it was legal but only for those 18 and older? This way, anyone who goes to conversion therapy does so on their own.
Ordinarily I would agree, however the potential for coercion and "slipping past" the law is rather high. While 18 is the number by law that technically signifies whether someone is an adult or not, I doubt the vast majority of 18 year olds have the ability to deal with pressuring families or to fully understand the implications of conversion therapy.
While homeopathy has a similar component of predatory practices, swallowing sugar pills and herbal remedies is ultimately benign
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@Alec
I didn't say anything was bad, little child. According to right wing numpties being gay is a choice so there is absolutely no need for conversion they only have to change their choice. The ability you people have for contradicting yourselves and then arguing for both contradictions is amazing. According to wingnuts they can just choose not to be gay.
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@Alec
You don't get it. It's not down to politics or any other wingnut idea you have it's all about each individual woman's right to bodily autonomy. You can talk until you are blue in the face about killing humans but until you remove one of these alleged humans from the body of which they are a part and you bring it to adulthood you are indulging in fairy tales. The theocracy comment concerned Pence being president, but I don't really expect people like you to comprehend the written word.
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@PGA2.0
Precisely what you misogynists are demanding be done to women. No humans being killed again, just so you don't present that fantasy again. How many of these humans have you collected from abortion clinics and brought them up.When you examine every society that segregates and dehumanizes other human beings it starts by making them lesser than the rest of society
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@disgusted
and you bring it to adulthood
You don't have to bring the kid up until they are an adult. You can set the kid up for adoption.
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@disgusted
I challenged you to a debate to see if abortion should be legal in most situations.
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@Alec
How many of these aborted humans have you done that for?
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@PGA2.0
Challenge the other pro choicer, Polytheist witch.
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@disgusted
(How many of these aborted humans have you (set up for adoption)?)
None and I don't think people set up aborted babies for adoption, although rather then being aborted, fetuses that grow into babies can be set up for adoption once they are born.
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@Alec
Why don't you set these aborted humans up for adoption?