New York legalizes infanticide

As is the current law. Just because the law is like that doesn't mean the issue should be like that. The current abortion laws are immoral.

Also, sperm cells are not life, they don't have a complete genome. It is when the sperm joins the egg that it becomes life.

Who are you to determine what common sense is? You can't just claim your ideology is common sense and then proceed to call people chimpanzees because they have a different ideology.

This coming from the guy who can't even string together a coherent sentence.

Bingo.  Social conservatives absolutely love to hide behind "the law" when something unpleasant "has to be done" that they agree with, like separating children from their parents and deporting people into war zones.  Eh, I guess there's nothing we can do since you know, "it's the law"...

Now you just need to force everyone who misses a period to get a "conception certificate".  Problem solved 4 evar.

If you can tell the difference between a living sperm and a dead sperm, then the sperm that is not dead is de facto alive.

Now you just need to force everyone who misses a period to get a "conception certificate".  Problem solved 4 evar. 

Oh wow, a red herring.

If you can tell the difference between a living sperm and a dead sperm, then the sperm that is not dead is de facto alive.

Being alive does not make it "life" It is not a complete organism. It does not have a complete genome, it has a partial genome. Even prokaryotes have a complete set of DNA.

He has attacked me twice before in this thread; I will fire back.

This isn't whining. This is a legitimate complaint. It reveals how troubling his ideological narcissism is.

Gastric bypass is voluntary.  It is an elective procedure.  Yes, they remove part of their stomach because they don't want it.  They remove it because it is causing unsightly weight gain.  This type of surgery, like cosmetic surgery and other elective procedures removes tissue from a person voluntar

If [social conservatives] want to offer lifetime ventilator or whatever to any child that is not viable on its own, let them pay for there choice to do so.

Well stated.

By "bad people" do you mean "people not worthy of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

You cite the fetus as an invader, however, the woman chose to have the fetus while having sex. 

You don't deport a guest if the guest will die outside.

If she didn't want the baby, but still wanted sex, she could have bought an IUD beforehand and used it to prevent pregnancy.

By "bad people" do you mean "people not worthy of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

People who break the law are not worthy of the protections the law grants.

by that logic no tax payer or insurance money should pay for a non medical reason abortion right?

No, by that logic, if you want to keep embryos alive, you should invest in ectogenesis.

It follows quite logically from "life begins at conception" - make it official.

If it can die, then it can be alive.  What exactly are you trying to say, a sperm is some sort of tiny machine?

by that logic no tax payer or insurance money should pay for a non medical reason abortion right?

No, by that logic, if you want to keep embryos alive, you should invest in ectogenesis.

I never have suggested they we should keep embryos alive.......but it should be both ways don't you think?

I see.  Do you believe the law is infallible?

It follows quite logically from "life begins at conception" - make it official.

It was a red herring because it has nothing to do with the morality of abortion. Especially the first paragraph.

If it can die, then it can be alive.  What exactly are you trying to say, a sperm is some sort of tiny machine?

It may be alive, but it isn't an independent being; it is merely part of a larger organism.

Do you believe in anarchy?

There are ways to change laws, but people refuse to elect the kinds of Congresspeople that change laws.

It has everything to do with the morality of abortion.  (IFF) "life begins at conception" (THEN) make it official.

Fair enough. You wouldn't need a certificate for that though.

So, the question isn't so much "is an embryo alive" but rather, "is an embryo an independent organism".

Specifically, is it part of another organism? And also, does it have a complete genome?

It can only be considered an independent organism of the answer is a no to the first question and a yes to the second.

if you don't think tax payers should keep an embryo alive then why should the pay to kill it?

or is this only in relation to " lifetime ventilator"

imo tax payers shouldn't be paying for any non needed medical procedures, especially cosmetic ones

it appears people are interpenetrating the law as it has no or little restriction, tbh I haven't read it yet and what I know and have experience with that state, it probably isn't clear and doesn't make much sense anyway.

but let's say this only applies to medical reasons, I'm trying to figure out what those would be in such a late state of development.

what urgent condition affecting the mother's life can only be solved and save her life if the baby is killed?  I can't think of one.

If the mother wants the baby killed because of some medical reason the baby has now developed, that's not an abortion that's euthanasia as she would not have done it otherwise.

if it's unrestricted and killed because of inconvenience, my tax money should not pay for that, it's elective with no real medical need or reason.

Tax payers contribute to all sorts of non-critical infrastructure and services.  I shouldn't have to pay property taxes if I don't have kids.  I shouldn't have to pay city sales taxes if I don't go to the brand new football stadium.  I shouldn't have to pay taxes to fund roads because I don't own a car.  I shouldn't pay for other people to go to federally funded colleges.  I shouldn't pay for hospitals if I never get sick.  I shouldn't pay for firefighters if my house never burns down.  I shouldn't have to pay for prisons if I don't commit any crimes.