Progressive sales tax instead on income tax might not be so bad

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Here is a system designed by chatgpt

Designing a **progressive sales tax** to replace the U.S. income tax is ambitious but possible. The key idea is to **scale tax rates based on purchase price tiers**, protecting low-income consumers while ensuring high-value luxury purchases fund government revenue. Here's a conceptual design:

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### **Progressive National Sales Tax (PNST)**

#### **Purpose:**
Replace federal income tax with a tiered consumption-based tax that is **fair**, **simple**, and **revenue-generating**, while minimizing the burden on the working class.

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### **1. Tax Rate by Purchase Price Tier**

| Purchase Price (per item or per transaction) | Tax Rate |
|---------------------------------------------|----------|
| $0 – $25 | 0% |
| $25.01 – $100 | 2% |
| $100.01 – $500 | 5% |
| $500.01 – $1,000 | 8% |
| $1,000.01 – $10,000 | 12% |
| $10,000.01 – $100,000 | 18% |
| $100,000.01 – $1,000,000 | 24% |
| $1,000,000.01+ | 30% |

- Rates apply **only to the portion within each bracket** (like marginal income tax).
- **Basic needs** like food, rent, healthcare, and education could be **exempt or zero-rated**.

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### **2. Optional Features for Fairness**

- **Prebate system**: Every citizen receives a monthly prebate (e.g., $300/month) to offset the tax on essentials—modeled after the FairTax concept.
- **Luxury surcharge**: Extra 5-10% on luxury items (e.g., yachts, private jets, supercars).
- **Exemption card for low-income individuals** (means-tested) for specific categories.

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### **3. Revenue Goal**

- Target revenue: ~$4.5 trillion/year (current federal tax revenue).
- Sales tax base would cover **all new goods and services**, including digital products, financial services, etc.
- Assumes a large base and **robust enforcement** with digital tracking.

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### **4. Advantages**

- Incentivizes saving over spending (good for capital formation).
- Simple compliance: tax is collected at point-of-sale.
- Reduces tax avoidance/evasion related to income hiding.
- Makes taxation **visible**, encouraging democratic accountability.

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### **5. Challenges**

- Regressivity if poorly designed: mitigated through prebates and exemptions.
- Transition impact: must phase in while phasing out income tax.
- States would need coordination or integration.

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Would you like a version that also includes carbon taxes, wealth surcharges, or digital transaction fees for additional fairness and sustainability?
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If we only applied the tax on new products and services, the used goods market would explode. Buy it'd be hard to monitor used goods to tax so maybe that's how it should be?

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Would u support this instead of income tax?
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- **Basic needs** like food, rent, healthcare, and education could be **exempt or zero-rated**.

Like I said, we can easily have exemptions on food (grocery food of course) and rent....the rest of the taxable consumables revenue will overwhelmingly come from the middle class and the rich even at a flat rate. You would get lower revenue with the scale you used because if you have a rich guy that chooses to waste his money eating a 15 dollar burger at a restaurant every day, you want him taxed at the flat rate for the full effect, not 2% for 365 burgers.
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How about zero taxes? It has the advantage of civilization not being ruled by hypocrites.
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I'd be more than willing to settle for a voluntary system.
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Well before we had the income tax most of our revenue came from tariffs. So yay trump
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We need to go back to the 90 percent top tax rate that Eisenhower had.
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sure, 90 percent sales tax.
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Ok, I like that. If your income is over $1 million/year you should pay a 90 percent sales tax.
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It'd be good to tax the guy eating wasteful food, but it's too hard to micromanage the tax system so what chatgpt said is better. Maybe we can have a few special categories that have higher tax, just no micromanaging. 

Also the progressive part of this is a feature but it almost looks like u treat it like a bug. Rich dudes ain't gotta buy yachts, it's their choice. And if a poor dude saves his money for a yacht, he's subject to the tax too. Fair
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The only problem with this idea is you will just get both. At no time in the history of known civilization has a govt ever gave up a tax collecting stream not ever. Oh it would  be sold as though one will be stopped and the other will replace it. But no that is not what will happen, they will write in fine print  that the  income tax will be reinstated if revenues don't cover a specified percentage of spending + deficit spending, that will happen almost immediately. Don't fall for that fucking scam.
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Rich dudes ain't gotta buy yachts, it's their choice.

cool, I don't care. If they make a huge bonfire with their money they earned I don't care either. But if they wanna spend their money on stuff that makes you jealous like 365 restaurant burgers a year, they can pay a flat consumption tax and donate 750 dollars to the government for all those burgers.
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Would you like a version that also includes carbon taxes, wealth surcharges, or digital transaction fees for additional fairness and sustainability?
That would be a total solution.

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Check out Fairfax.org  it was a system put together by a bipartisan commission who found a way to make sales tax progressive, it also simultaneously creates more tax revenue while reducing the tax burden of the average working American. 

The only reason to oppose the fair tax is because you are a piece of shit and want to use the tax system to reward friends or punish enemies 

I have done a deep dive on the Fairfax and the only real criticism is people claiming that politicians are pieces of shits that will just add an income tax on top of it after a while or increase the base amount gradually until it gets ridiculous, but really that's on us voters to make sure politicians don't do that, the tax policy is perfect.

It's often misrepresented as a 25% tax and opponents fail to mention the stipend and 25% is misleading. It is 0.18¢ of every dollar you spend and the stipend gives. The money back to the poor and people who are not poor could but won't avoid taxes as well making the system completely voluntary, which makes it more ethical than the current system
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We need to go back to the 90 percent top tax rate that Eisenhower had.
Why
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To eliminate the National Debt like Eisenhower did.
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To eliminate the National Debt like Eisenhower did.
Put Trump tariffs on the billionaires.
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Under Eisenhower, the national debt rose from about $266 billion in 1953 to $289 billion by 1961, an increase of roughly $23 billion over eight years. His administration focused on balancing the budget and limiting spending, but the nominal debt rose anyway.
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If you look at the US debt in dollar terms, the last president to reduce debt over one fiscal year was Eisenhower, who did reduce debt in the two fiscal years 1955-1957.
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I wouldn't do fair tax. It's gotta be progressive sales tax or it's not fair or too feasible. I didn't know fair tax has stipends for the lower class so it's not all bad 
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well it's too bad he erased that by increasing the debt over the other 6 years. He failed 3/4 of the time. 1 step forward and 3 steps back...

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any progressive system allows for corruption. It has to be fair or there will be corruption and loopholes.
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I wouldn't do fair tax. It's gotta be progressive sales tax or it's not fair or too feasible. I didn't know fair tax has stipends for the lower class so it's not all bad 
That's correct the fair tax once you account for stipends does make it a progressive tax system, it also allows you to avoid taxes by buying used products, but essentially there is no taxes on basic needs.
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To eliminate the National Debt like Eisenhower did.
Yeah but why do it in a retarded way instead of a good way?