Pie being adament about his MYLO lynch is pretty interesting which makes me feel he has a certain role. But then again I don't know if there's some utility to him being lynched then, or if it's solely because his role deactivates MYLO/LYLO (which I am tempted to ask). Either way somewhat peculiar and I don't really see him saying that and going for that strategy as scum. He would likely be playing it safe and looking to soft something space
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Ok I just saw that his role was after death and best used after MYLO so that answers the question
I feel like Cerculean is kinda going on a tangent about really nothing at this point with MYLO and LYLO. Almost seems like it's a way to generate a response out of someone or something and doesn't have any substantive value. But it seems like he's tending to pick up on little inconsistencies and terminology and negating them. Not sure if that's scum or town play on him so someone let me know but it feels town-ish? I think it will be good to keep in my player notes though
Wylted's lack of real substantive post kinda leans town-ish to me. It's pretty anti meta of him. Even when scum he tends to be a prolific poster and not really backseat and I feel in a game where activity is a bit lacking, he would for sure be trying to dominate and control the game. For that reason I town read him
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@Mharman
For who?
For me but that's up to casey
So, we have a general idea of where everyone falls generally timewise, a full claim, and some info on a few other claims. What do we want to do with that information? I've made my reads clear, and while it's a substantial risk to lynch That2 given her claim, she's still my top scumread. Any other pick for me is going to be a null read at best. Does anyone have any ideas? The Earth push was derailed without getting information and there was some discussion about pushing Cerulean before he gave his reads, so it doesn't seem like we have any direction.
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@Earth
@Vader
@whiteflame
@WyIted
The Earth push was derailed without getting information
Earth is probably my top pick, so my vote stays on him for now. Had a chance to give information, and he posted list of reads without really explaining why he town red or scum read anyone. Earth doesn't post a lot, but it rarely feels like he's this lazy.
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@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Wylted wants out. I guess I’ll go for it.
Mod note: Mharman will be replacing WyIted for the remainder of the game. Also, from this point forward, please avoid meta-discussions about replacements. You can mention that a player was replaced, and you can mention statements that a replaced player made and how they inform your reads, etc., but avoid public statements about wanting to be replaced, speculation about why someone was replaced, etc. Thank you.
Votes:
Earth (2/6): Pie, Savant
Alr I’ll read a lil later. Read my PM.
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@whiteflame
Without knowing Savant’s role, it’s too risky to lynch Banana. My vote stands on Earth. Nothing he has done has made me townread him, and he’s in my POE
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@Savant
Inclined to agree for the most part. Gonna give my reasons in a moment
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@Mharman
@Cerulean
Do you townread Earth?
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@Earth
@ILikePie5
@Savant
@Pie I think you meant That2. I’m fine holding off on that lynch until we get more information.
Alright, seems like at least the three of us (Pie, Savant and I) see reason to pursue this. I’m good with that.
Earth, we’re looking for a claim at this point and holding back from giving one is just dragging things out.
VTL Earth
Anyway, heading to bed, I can sort out where things are at with this tomorrow morning.
Alright fine, I am Ivan the Great, Russia's first tsar.
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@Earth
hold the flippin phone. Did casey explicitly say you are the first Russian tsar?
Actually I am not even sure this matters. Earth is scum. At least I am pretty sure he is.
I am Ivan the IV, aka Ivan the Terrible. My role PM explicitly tells me I am the first tsar of Russia. I was about to give earth a pass, because he might have gotten the two mixed up in researching them (Ivan the great is a regent not a tsar) but then I thought about it and why would he even be researching it instead of just looking at his role pm?
I realize we are claiming two different people so this isn't a CC, but I am cc'ing the part where he is the first tsar, because casey told me I was in my role Pm.
VTL Earth.
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@iamanabanana
Actually I am not even sure this matters. Earth is scum. At least I am pretty sure he is.
Can you explain?
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@iamanabanana
Even then, there are a million prominent Russians. Why choose two Ivans. It’s as good as a CC imo
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@Earth
Full claim please
Votes:
Earth (4/6): Pie, Savant, Whiteflame, Banana
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@ILikePie5
@iamanabanana
Mmm. My PM does say it in a round about way, but I was the first to bear the title 'tsar'. My PM mentions Ivan IV too. Anyway, I am the Neighborizer. Each night, I can pick a player to join me in a private chat so long they are alive. Justification is because Ivan the Great expanded his empire to cover different ethnic groups and lands.
Town pile:
ILikePie5- I don't see why he would be volunteering himself as a lynch unless it was actually role related. At worst, he's a third party that has to be lynched on a certain day phase. I am not even worried about hunting 3p right now, so he can essentially be town for now, as this is an abysmal mafia strategy, and he will be 100% held accountable to being lynched before mylo.
Savant- Savant is more of a "Focus on later" as to me its not like hes confirmed innocent, but more "unlikely" scum. Wylted guessed his character immediately and he owned up to it, and wasn't CC'ed. That is pretty brazen move as scum, and if he happened to just get lucky, I guess thats some insane luck, but I don't think scum would have used their anti claim so early like that, so im more leaning hes probably just telling the truth.. we can re-evaluate this later on if there are behavior issues.
iamanabanana- I am on board with the "claiming a scummy role" doesn't seem to be her MO. Last time she did this she was actually town and a roleblocker, I don't see this being a scum strategy. And while she isn't technically "new" anymore, she is new enough I don't see her gambling a play like this until she's racked up experience more, so all in all I am leaning town on her.
Slight town reads:
whiteflame- Putting whiteflame here because I like his reads and analaysis so far, and he's been on the same page of thinking as me on that2. Also I was literally typing out stuff on my phone while driving about her claim when whiteflame echoed my thoughts word for word, so that resonated as him being town if he's picking up the same things I am picking up, since I know I am town.
Vader- I don't have a rock solid reason, other than I just like his effort and it has a genuine feel to it. I feel like Vader is genuinely coming from an uninformed perspective and his behavior doesn't seem as rocky as it was in castlevania, plus I liked his initial idea of soft claiming and it helped move the game forward.
Completely Null:
Mharman (WyIted)- I don't like that he called out savants character, but I can see wylted doing that just because he is wylted. I probably would have made a stink about it being a scum tell if it were anyone else. Otherwise I feel like Wylted was mostly fluffy this day phase. I know he's turned up on that2, but he was semi defending that2 against me, so now it just looks like he's going with the best option. I would lean scum here but I want to feel mharman out and see how he plays here and go from there, and am willing to look at wylted stuff as just being wylted for the time being.
Cerulean- I like the unpairing analysis between earth and pie, ultimately he's just been pretty inactive though, and I want to see more before I move him completely into the town pile. I don't understand his scum slip theorem at pie, but I think it might just be mis-communication about DART terminology and other websites.
ADOL (Danilaykus)- I like ADOL's entry post, and especially that he's going against the grain on banana who is widely town read. Mafia don't want to blatantly be against the crowd like that, so the suspicion comes off as genuine. However I don't want to town clear him off of one post either, so I'll give him time to cook.
Scum lean:
That2User- I don't like the way she claimed, I don't like the unnecessary verbiage in the claim, and I don't understand why you would give information not in your pm, over just straight up reading the PM. That said I can see BP being with that character, which is my only major reservation with lynching that2. However behaviorally, she seems very similar to serial killers, her responses seem dis-interested, bored, and like she just doesn't care about the outcome. I don't feel any town passion or game solve coming from her, and that is eerily familiar to her play in serial killer. She is my number one read at the moment.
Earth- I really don't like his responses to pie about not contributing. While it's consistent with how he usually plays, I feel like using other people as being more inactive or pushing the pace less than you isa cop out, and earth is experienced as a player enough to know this logic shouldn't fly. I am not giving him a pass for it, and frankly I find it scummy that he would sell us this. I see he is being pressured now, so maybe his claim can save him but at the moment, he is not looking good for me.
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@iamanabanana
I am Ivan the IV, aka Ivan the Terrible. My role PM explicitly tells me I am the first tsar of Russia. I was about to give earth a pass, because he might have gotten the two mixed up in researching them (Ivan the great is a regent not a tsar) but then I thought about it and why would he even be researching it instead of just looking at his role pm?I realize we are claiming two different people so this isn't a CC, but I am cc'ing the part where he is the first tsar, because casey told me I was in my role Pm.VTL Earth.
Woah. Interesting development. I'd like to hear earth respond to this.
Ya I’m fine lynching Earth
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@Earth
Mmm. My PM does say it in a round about way, but I was the first to bear the title 'tsar'. My PM mentions Ivan IV too. Anyway, I am the Neighborizer. Each night, I can pick a player to join me in a private chat so long they are alive. Justification is because Ivan the Great expanded his empire to cover different ethnic groups and lands.
I mean this is a pretty confirmable role. I personally as mod like to give mafia one confirmable role, (IE savant was a messenger in SK's). Does your pm actually mention that you were the tsar? Why would casey put that in two different role PM's?