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There’s a potential loophole though to the fake claiming mechanic. Just soft claim hard enough and then confirm what you are, which is what I would advise everyone to do.
The next day is skipped if you die in any way? That's probably something that should have stayed hidden.
Also, please don't assume knowledge, I know almost nothing about this person and while I could have searched for it, "the myth that she survived" was not something I knew off-hand.
The one thing that makes me nervous about the claim is that it's something focused entirely around not dying- the way you phrase it, you need protection at night and can't be safely voted out.
Mm. I think I might look into it a little more later when I'm not on mobile. I'll hold off on dropping a vote for now.
Also, I will say that I would prefer to get lynched prior to MYLO. Ideally the day before MYLO. It’ll benefit town for sure
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@ILikePie5
There’s a potential loophole though to the fake claiming mechanic. Just soft claim hard enough and then confirm what you are, which is what I would advise everyone to do.
Did you mean this as a loophole to potential anti-claim?
... Actually, what does "fake claiming mechanic" even mean here? Is that the one where scum guesses characters and gets told if they exist?
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@Cerulean
Did you mean this as a loophole to potential anti-claim?
Yes
... Actually, what does "fake claiming mechanic" even mean here? Is that the one where scum guesses characters and gets told if they exist?
No clue lol
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@Earth
@Savant
@iamanabanana
I'm not going to stay too focused on That2's claim for now. I've got very mixed feelings about the claim and it doesn't help that the Beloved Princess claim also necessarily gives us more pause when it comes to an elimination, even if it makes sense for the character.
However, I do want thoughts on this claim from those who have been quiet thusfar. I'll give Banana and Earth some leeway because they have been offline over the last 4+ hours (tagged you both anyway), but Savant hopped on really recently (about 10 minutes ago) and has so far avoided wading into this. I get that you're pretty widely townread due to the softclaim issue, but we still need to hear from you.
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@whiteflame
I believe her because everyone is dog piling her right now, she is probably town. I think she fumbled over her words a bit and now people are taking advantage of that, but executed and assassination, potato potato. I don’t think we nailed scum on the first claim.
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@whiteflame
I believe her because everyone is dog piling her right now, she is probably town. I think she fumbled over her words a bit and now people are taking advantage of that, but executed and assassination, potato potato. I don’t think we nailed scum on the first claim.
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@whiteflame
I get that you're pretty widely townread due to the softclaim issue, but we still need to hear from you.
I'm town reading that2 right now. Claim makes sense, and that2 acted way more suspicious when we were a scum team. Maybe a scum partner recommended that role claim, but I don't see that2 coming up with that fake claim under a ton of pressure.
However, presuming that2 is town, scum will probably target them tonight, so we might lose a day phase even if we don't lynch that2. I recommend we tell town protectives to be on that2 and hope for the best, but scum might have a workaround given that role claims are said to be punished.
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@iamanabanana
I believe her because everyone is dog piling her right now, she is probably town. I think she fumbled over her words a bit and now people are taking advantage of that, but executed and assassination, potato potato. I don’t think we nailed scum on the first claim.
Not my issue with her claim, but fair enough.
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@Savant
I'm town reading that2 right now. Claim makes sense, and that2 acted way more suspicious when we were a scum team. Maybe a scum partner recommended that role claim, but I don't see that2 coming up with that fake claim under a ton of pressure.
I agree that it's likely That2 wouldn't have come up with this on their own. Leaning town myself partially on the weight of that, but only slightly.
However, presuming that2 is town, scum will probably target them tonight, so we might lose a day phase even if we don't lynch that2. I recommend we tell town protectives to be on that2 and hope for the best, but scum might have a workaround given that role claims are said to be punished.
I think it's a given that whoever has a protective role should make smart choices with it based on existing claims.
So it looks like some movement happened when I was away. I believe That2's claim. With that in mind, I am wondering what tricks mafia can pull off, but thats a job for a protective role as Savant suggested. Other people did mention this, but That2 was a little unclear on the circumstances of Anastasia's death, but I attribute that to just That2 not being familiar with Russian history.
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@Earth
@whiteflame
@That2User
@iamanabanana
I think I can say this much without revealing anything too significant...based on what Casey just confirmed about my role, I am pretty sure that2 is telling the truth. Just makes too much sense mechanically to be a coincidence.
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@Savant
I think I can say this much without revealing anything too significant...based on what Casey just confirmed about my role, I am pretty sure that2 is telling the truth. Just makes too much sense mechanically to be a coincidence.
I appreciate your sharing that, even vaguely. I won't speculate on your role.
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@Earth
So it looks like some movement happened when I was away. I believe That2's claim. With that in mind, I am wondering what tricks mafia can pull off, but thats a job for a protective role as Savant suggested. Other people did mention this, but That2 was a little unclear on the circumstances of Anastasia's death, but I attribute that to just That2 not being familiar with Russian history.
I'll point out that the issue isn't so much with That2's lack of knowledge about their character, but the fact that they chose to withhold information about their character. When I mentioned the myth of Anastasia's survival, That2 said that it was "so well known" that it didn't bear mentioning. That's not an issue with a lack of knowledge, that's just not being forthcoming about elements of her character that appear to be present in the PM That2 received.
I'm still lightly townreading her for other reasons, but I don't think we should write that off as a lack of familiarity.
Great so Banana, That2, Savant should be town
I want to pressure Supa for an indirect full claim
Can we stop softing our character and roles now?
I'm okay with a Vader claim though.
My role has a confirmation mechanic. I personally my role would likely put me in the town pile but others may disagree with it.
I personally think*
I'll give my full reads and such. I just don't think there is enough substance to make hard and long winded reads
I am very sus of That2. I frankily hate Beloved Princess claims because I inherently think they are a good scum claim. Gives a form of an out for not being lynched because they can easily play the card. I also hate how they went about softing their role. They were extremely vague for quite literally I believe no reason. I kind of want to think that they are an executioner but they have not been acting as such. But their behavior seems very and the justifications contradict themselves quite a bit.
I am very sus of That2. I frankily hate Beloved Princess claims because I inherently think they are a good scum claim. Gives a form of an out for not being lynched because they can easily play the card. I also hate how they went about softing their role. They were extremely vague for quite literally I believe no reason. I kind of want to think that they are an executioner but they have not been acting as such. But their behavior seems very and the justifications contradict themselves quite a bit.
I have not played in a game with Cerculean so I have a pretty null read but I feel like they have good logic and thinking about things critically. Though I would like to see some more behavior substance
I've stated my reasons for banana. I feel like I have an idea what their roles is and coming from a game where they were heavily criticized and drew attention to themselves, I don't feel like banana would've willingly done that. Plus I also think if a player with experience is their partner (which not rulling out a noob can't be), I would think they'd rather them not draw attention with a statement as that unless there's a big meta play and I just don't think banana can think that way yet with their 3rd game. Slight town
I'm honestly pretty neutral on Pie. I don't agree with him that my posts have been fluff (there has been a bit than I would like), but there was only 37 posts and I gave my opinions thru what was given. As for the piggybacking, nothing is going to happen if I just clog up the forum with the same post WF said and I would get read in the same way. Despite that I think his pushes have been pretty town meta for him and I feel like he probably would've been on That2 harder if he came on earlier
I dislike Earth. I think he came on way too quickly to put pressure and on only the 3rd post wants to try and put claim pressure on someone just blindly following Pie. A bit FoS imo
I would honestly put whiteflame in a lean town but this is more gut. His pressure on That2 that was based on thematic analysis and breaking it down into multiple aspects and confronting head on claims seems more of his town meta than I have seen as scum, but lately my reads have not been great on him but gut is telling me most of his interactions are town.
Luna is null but I am likely leaning town on him. I think his approach of game comes off as townie so far and I think his analysis back to past games and other things makes me feel town. I honestly couldn't get a good grasp of his scum play last game and I feel like I don't really get solid reads on him til DP2. His pressure on That2 comes off pretty townie and since he was the first actor of it I doubt he's bussing a teammate that hard
Everyone else is null
I dislike Earth. I think he came on way too quickly to put pressure and on only the 3rd post wants to try and put claim pressure on someone just blindly following Pie. A bit FoS imo
I would honestly put whiteflame in a lean town but this is more gut. His pressure on That2 that was based on thematic analysis and breaking it down into multiple aspects and confronting head on claims seems more of his town meta than I have seen as scum, but lately my reads have not been great on him but gut is telling me most of his interactions are town.
Luna is null but I am likely leaning town on him. I think his approach of game comes off as townie so far and I think his analysis back to past games and other things makes me feel town. I honestly couldn't get a good grasp of his scum play last game and I feel like I don't really get solid reads on him til DP2. His pressure on That2 comes off pretty townie and since he was the first actor of it I doubt he's bussing a teammate that hard
Everyone else is null
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@That2User
assassination, execution, murder, shot to death, all these things describe my death, i am anastasia
But she secretly survived and lived a full life in peace and obscurity according to legend
The assassination vs execution thing I think is silly. It's a matter of opinion how to define that event. I would call it an assassination. I think execution may be used as some sort of rhetorical oomph to make the event seem even worse though technically I think an assassination is more morally reprehensible than execution.
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@WyIted
The assassination vs execution thing I think is silly. It's a matter of opinion how to define that event. I would call it an assassination. I think execution may be used as some sort of rhetorical oomph to make the event seem even worse though technically I think an assassination is more morally reprehensible than execution.
It’s not silly at all. She admitted that Casey never called it an assassination in her pm. That was the word she personally volunteered randomly over other words. She led us down the rabbit role for 0 reason instead of simply saying she was pre Soviet.
That said I am willing to believe it is an anti town move rather than a scum one, and focus elsewhere for now. If we don’t have a better lead by the end of the phase though iknwilling to go back to that2.
Unvote.
Also thinking the new guy will need to be replaced
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@Lunatic
It’s not silly at all. She admitted that Casey never called it an assassination in her pm. That was the word she personally volunteered randomly over other words. She led us down the rabbit role for 0 reason instead of simply saying she was pre Soviet.
I agree it's funny she wouldn't just say presobiet I am not dismissing anything other than the exution vs assassination element.
I watched the cartoon and watched unsolved mysteries about her like everyone else and I struggle to know which one is which with her. She was royalty and the murder happened outside of the justice system so it feels like an assassination, but it also happened through brute force in a way we would normally define as murder or "execution" . .
Granted my knowledgeostly comes from the cartoon and unsolved mysteries episode I saw like 30 years ago
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@WyIted
I can see the cartoon framing it as an assassination because they Romonovs were the main characters in the movie , but Nicholas was a corrupt leader and was usurped in a revolution so it is officially an execution since he was no longer the ruling party after this incident.
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@Vader
My role has a confirmation mechanic. I personally my role would likely put me in the town pile but others may disagree with it.
So you would be role confirmed but not affiliation confirmed right?
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@ILikePie5
Role confirmed, but honestly don't see a world that this could be a scum role unless you think I'm meta gaming or bastard
Twist the role to be scum*
Honestly, I won't bother with Vader. I heard muh role confirmation so many times from scum I rather he just not.