I'm afraid we're entering onto stagflation, with no way out

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We can survive, but not without an explosive restoration of economic liberty
Trump also promised lower taxes, less government spending and less regulations, so I think its going to work out.
He can't do that alone, not without going far more rouge than he has already; which I would welcome.

He would be the anti-FDR (who also went completely rouge, threatened the supreme court and likely did the same to congress to rubber stamp him effectively enacting the New Deal before it passed).

I wouldn't complain, it just seems too much to hope for.

I guess the way I would do it is this: I would take all the taxes that are mandated by congress; and then have all the various federal departments be a single cubicle with the director and a computer. All the departments do is pay citizens as government contractors.

There could be an algorithm that ensures every citizen is paid in proportion to the takes taken.

So they take 50k from me, and then one government department pays me 25k for homeland infrastructure, I'll clean up some litter and even donate to the county roads department. USAID pays me 5k for foreign relations, I tell my foreign cousins how great America is.

etc... etc...

They can call the whole maneuver the "people's budget veto".
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If your sources for that definition are a radio personality and a dictionary from 1960, it's probably the less common definition.
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it's probably the less common definition.
I don't think that war is lost yet, hence my insistence. If the sane people get closer to losing I guess I'll switch to "real inflation" to distinguish it from the redefinition. This will of course be called subversive by the subversives in the same way you're not allowed to call a woman a "real woman".

The pre-subversion definition is objectively two things:
1.) A useful definition of a useful concept, one which if forgotten would leave people unable to understand critical dynamics of fiat currency systems.
2.) The original definition
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A useful definition of a useful concept
The consumer price index is a useful thing to measure, though. It's more directly applicable to buyers.

one which if forgotten would leave people unable to understand critical dynamics of fiat currency systems.
You can still use the term "money supply," which economists commonly do, to describe the concept you're talking about. They're not denying that monetary causes exist. And it's not like people understood fiat currency systems any better in 1960.

The original definition
Not always the more useful one. "Nice" used to mean foolish, for example. "Bully" used to mean sweetheart. Now they mean other things, so it's more useful to use their new definitions.
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Venezuela has already discussed dropping their tarrifs so we can drop ours. It appears the strategy is working.
Have the penguins on the Heard Island and the McDonald Islands group capitulated yet?  
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one which if forgotten would leave people unable to understand critical dynamics of fiat currency systems.
You can still use the term "money supply," which economists commonly do
You could use CPI, as they commonly do; and by that means attempt no redefinition.


And it's not like people understood fiat currency systems any better in 1960.
I think the average understanding was much better, due in large part to people describing themselves as "economists" being significantly more honest on average.


The original definition
Not always the more useful one.
In this case it is both.


"Nice" used to mean foolish, for example. "Bully" used to mean sweetheart. Now they mean other things, so it's more useful to use their new definitions.
and if I was in the midst of bully being redefined in order to accuse sweethearts of marital abuse, I would call it subversion.


Inflation is what has caused hurt so much hurt. When we see countries dying of hyperinflation it is never because of the other transient and insignificant factors that could affect CPI.

It hasn't been tariffs, or covid, or ukraine that moved the CPI of the western world this past decade.

Taxes cause prices of end products to rise but wages go down. The "GDP" remains the same in fiat, but buying power goes down permanently.

ONLY [money supply] inflation causes uniform permanent increase in prices. The "GDP" goes up in fiat, while buying power goes down temporarily.


The dirty charge of the word "inflation" is well earned.

Changing it now, after it has once again proven it's colors several more times is akin to redefining pedophile as "MAP" and "communist" as "progressive".

The sole purpose of such a redefinition is to decouple the objective evil with the already identified cause of the evil. To then allow for the illusion of novelty and the uncertainty of a novel dynamic.

What causes my prices to go so high? Who knows? Maybe it's Putin. Maybe it's too many trans kids committing suicide? Maybe it's the Easter bunny. Who can say?
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by that means attempt no redefinition
The definition has already changed. Changing it back requires more hassle. You don't object to the term "CPI," so why object to the term inflation? The Federal Reserve tries to hit a 2% target for inflation, and the current definition is most useful for that end.

I think the average understanding was much better, due in large part to people describing themselves as "economists" being significantly more honest on average.
Economics has advanced since the 60s, in part due to having more data to work with.

When we see countries dying of hyperinflation it is never because of the other transient and insignificant factors that could affect CPI. It hasn't been tariffs, or covid, or ukraine that moved the CPI of the western world this past decade.
Well, according to your definition no, but that's not really saying anything because your definition doesn't take anything in to account except the money supply. And I don't think I claimed anyone was "dying of hyperinflation," just that prices were generally going up. Tariffs and covid and wars can increase prices.

The sole purpose of such a redefinition is to decouple the objective evil with the already identified cause of the evil.
Except wars and tariffs and sickness have identifiable negative effects on the economy, even if they aren't the main source of price increases. If anything, an increase in the money supply is the most tolerable cause for price increases since it's possible for wages to keep up and avoids deflation.
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by that means attempt no redefinition
The definition has already changed. Changing it back requires more hassle. You don't object to the term "CPI," so why object to the term inflation?
because CPI wasn't a redefinition of a "useful concept, one which if forgotten would leave people unable to understand critical dynamics of fiat currency systems".

If transgenders decided they were "gender-role-non-conforming" GRNC pronounced "granac" that would not be an attempt to erase the concept of "woman" and subvert thousands of years of cultural baggage, legal implications, and social privileges.


Economics has advanced since the 60s, in part due to having more data to work with.
That's why everything is getting better. <- sarcasm


And I don't think I claimed anyone was "dying of hyperinflation,"
I claim countries die from hyperinflation. Which is a particular form of government theft.

After a variant of a disease is named, there is no honest reason to change the name.


Tariffs and covid and wars can increase prices.
Taxation and direct destruction of the means of production can increase some prices, but in that case the price of labor goes down until a critical point after which the black market becomes the only means of survival and which prices mean nothing.


Except wars and tariffs and sickness have identifiable negative effects on the economy, even if they aren't the main source of price increases.
That is irrelevant because wars and tariffs are not targets for definition erasure.

Actually I take that back. Trump labeling "trade deficits" as "tariffs on America" is also an example of attempted definition subversion.

You're saying "buy hey the new concept [trade deficits] has some use" but it doesn't matter if the new definition is interesting, all that matters is that there was no good reason to use that word, only subversive reasons.


If anything, an increase in the money supply is the most tolerable cause for price increases since it's possible for wages to keep up and avoids deflation.
People recover from theft, wars and pandemics end too. This is irrelevant.

No matter the troubles, understanding requires categorization into concepts. Changing definitions under these circumstances is an attack on conceptual clarity. There is no excuse.

If they wanted to argue inflation was minor factor that nobody should be concerned about they are welcome to. To attempt to redefine inflation after the people's mind was made up is pure sophistry.

I have thought of another example: defining slavery as "apprenticeships" after reconstruction.

There was no purpose except to confuse people who had already decided that slavery was wrong/illegal.
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Ah yes, Unicorns for computers, top secret trades.


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because CPI wasn't a redefinition of a "useful concept, one which if forgotten would leave people unable to understand critical dynamics of fiat currency systems".
Again, the economic understanding of fiat currency hasn't been lost. Inflation was commonly measured as the rise in prices, so there was some utility in using a definition corresponding to what was being measured. If anything, this is less misleading, since the old definition could lead people to assume that something other than the price of goods was being measured.

subvert thousands of years of cultural baggage, legal implications, and social privileges
I know it's not really the topic, but aren't the "cultural baggage and social privileges" the basis for gender theory (i.e. the "social role" view)? I mean, I agree that the newer definition of "woman" is not very consistently defined, but it appeals to the "cultural baggage" that you're mentioning. If you want a definition for woman based strictly on biological sex, then none of that matters.

That's why everything is getting better. <- sarcasm
Again, not really the topic, but living standards are generally going up in the long term. The stock market is crashing now, but overall it tends to go up.

I claim countries die from hyperinflation. Which is a particular form of government theft.

After a variant of a disease is named, there is no honest reason to change the name.
Are tariffs not government theft too then? It's a direct tax on consumers that makes them have to pay more. A particularly inefficient form of theft, too, because of how much deadweight loss it incurs.

Taxation and direct destruction of the means of production can increase some prices, but in that case the price of labor goes down until a critical point after which the black market becomes the only means of survival and which prices mean nothing.
Tariffs don't always make the price of labor go down. And even if they did, tariffs don't always force huge black markets. They don't tend to be this broad anyway.

it doesn't matter if the new definition is interesting, all that matters is that there was no good reason to use that word, only subversive reasons.
It's not misleading, though. It would be misleading if we said inflation was the cost of goods but only measured the money supply. Or if we said it was the money supply but measured the cost of goods (what happened with the old definition). Since what inflation is called and what is being measured are the same thing, it's not misleading.

To attempt to redefine inflation after the people's mind was made up is pure sophistry.
The understanding that price increases are strongly related to the money supply (and to a lesser extent, other factors) hasn't changed. Terms used for different things have adjusted, but that's like saying people who speak English have a different understanding of economics than people who speak Spanish.

an attack on conceptual clarity
The definition is clear and consistent with what is being measured. It's not a contradictory or confusing concept. People aren't incapable of understanding the most common definition any more than they're incapable of understanding what "bully" means.
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U.S. stocks saw the biggest 2-day decline in history as market loses $6.6 trillion in value on Thursday and Friday, that brings the total loss since Inauguration Day to $11 trillion. 

Was anyone spared, well, let's see...one of the only countries not on Trump's tariff list...wait for it....RUSSIA, of course.

"We’ll take the advice of Lao Tzu and sit by the river, waiting for the body of the enemy to float by. The decaying corpse of the E.U. economy." - Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev

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because CPI wasn't a redefinition of a "useful concept, one which if forgotten would leave people unable to understand critical dynamics of fiat currency systems".
Again, the economic understanding of fiat currency hasn't been lost.
Despite the best efforts of subversive attempts, as my insistence on using the correct definition and the general public's awareness of the problem demonstrate.


Inflation was commonly measured as the rise in prices, so there was some utility in using a definition corresponding to what was being measured.
That's like saying pressure is often measured by the gravity force of a liquid metal, so there was some utility in using a definition corresponding to what was being measured.

Oh wait, they kinda do, mm of mercury.

Now what would happen if they were to start calling space a "low mercury environment", and then some sad product of the American education system said that we need to bring liquid mercury to the moon so we can breathe.

That is the OP, except it wasn't some accident, he was told this non-sense by people acting to subvert the definition of inflation.


If anything, this is less misleading, since the old definition could lead people to assume that something other than the price of goods was being measured.
IT WAS!

Just like the height of the mercury column was measuring something else: pressure.

Uniformly rising prices is the effect, inflating money supply is the cause. CPI is a proxy for inflation. Inflation is what theoretically needs to be known by the national banks to know whether to print more money. When you say just "inflation" that means the part of the increase in prices caused by inflation, which is in theory and on average: the only cause.

In their original theory (which they modified in order to accommodate establishment desire for more theft) inflation should be zero. A fiat currency with stable value, that would require some increase in money supply.

See how the concept of "money supply" is not identical to "inflation" nor is "increasing money supply" identical to "inflation"?

You can increase the money supply without causing inflation, when the increase is proportional to the actual increase in value*transactions per unit time.


but living standards are generally going up in the long term.
Yet dips are correlated with inflation.

From the instant the scheme of national fiat currency was invented it became a tool for shadow taxation and since then every government under any kind of stress self-inflicted or not has used it to hide and diffuse the amount they steal.

That stealing does reduce quality of life. Read vampire economy. The nazis were waging war on half the world, throwing vast resources into it, resources they stole; through inflation.

Those who would subvert the concepts of sound economics pretend as if these are alternative explanations, war OR printing money.

Putin did it, he started a war. <not mentioned> which then 'forced' the US government to print trillions to give to Ukraine by giving them weapons bought with those trillions of printed dollars very inefficiently compounding the theft </not mentioned>

Covid didn't make the prices go up, the shut down followed by the government trying to 'stimulate' the economy by stealing from everyone via printing money thereby causing inflation.

The lie is connecting shifts in the supply/demand equilibrium with inflation. Wars and diseases can certainly cause shifts in the supply/demand equilibrium; but wars are not inflation. Price changes are not inflation unless they are caused by printing money, and that HAS been what has been causing them when the government uses printing money to steal whatever the reason.

For example if Putin blew up a pipeline (actually it was "the good guys") that would explain a loss of supply for oil. Not for Spanish pears, for oil. That is neither a CPI increase nor inflation.


I claim countries die from hyperinflation. Which is a particular form of government theft.

After a variant of a disease is named, there is no honest reason to change the name.
Are tariffs not government theft too then? It's a direct tax on consumers that makes them have to pay more.
They are definitely taxes and thus theft, not directly on the consumer (almost none of which have the first clue about importing) though so I don't know why you would say that.


A particularly inefficient form of theft, too, because of how much deadweight loss it incurs.
Define efficiency in this context.


Taxation and direct destruction of the means of production can increase some prices, but in that case the price of labor goes down until a critical point after which the black market becomes the only means of survival and which prices mean nothing.
Tariffs don't always make the price of labor go down.
They don't always make the price go up either. They can change behavior and thus shift the supply/demand curve drastically which means there are no absolute predictions, just a few absolute facts:

When the government ends up with more real wealth in their hands, and they threatened force to get it; they stole that wealth and they're almost certainly going to waste it either in stupendously poorly executed activities or straight up corruption (almost always a hybrid of the two).

This is, on the grand scale, the equivalent to coming into a prosperous town, making a big pile of their finest products: pies, pots, pottery, paintings, clothing; and then setting it on fire.

That reduces quality of life, and if it happens too often and the destruction is too great, the people become impoverished to the point of desperation. When a government uses inflation as the means of theft there is no escape, the destruction continues till the final crumb of bread, with people carrying around paper currency in wheelbarrows.


With tariffs, on-the books international trade simply ceases. In that way tariffs are less dangerous than inflation. Tariffs can at worst reduce you to total economic isolation. Inflation can go all the way back to the stone age if you actually have the guards to prevent people from switching to barter.


And even if they did, tariffs don't always force huge black markets. They don't tend to be this broad anyway.
That's because it's rare for an import to be a true staple, something people are willing to risk imprisonment for.

You put a tariff up inside your own economy (called sales tax), that will force a black market if it's bad enough. Or if there is truly a necessary import, such as an island that can't produce its own food; there will be a black market or there will be blood.


It would be misleading if we said inflation was the cost of goods but only measured the money supply.
Yes it would, it's the increase in the cost of goods CAUSED by the excess increase in the money supply.


Since what inflation is called and what is being measured are the same thing, it's not misleading.
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What inflation is called? You mean inflation?

"Since inflation and what is being measured are the same thing, it's not misleading."

Well I would accept that with some caveats about time, in the short term CPIs can fluctuate, but ONLY inflation is a permanent increase in the general prices.

The problem is the equivocation of inflation with any increase in prices whatsoever, and by extension any cause for increase in prices; tariffs for example cannot be inflationary and cannot over a long period change the CPI if they were magically uniform (which they can't be).

In other words this is one of the rare instances where people's shallow understanding is actually exactly right, they are calling "all the prices are going up" "inflation" and that is exactly what it is even if they don't generally understand why. It's not open taxation, it's not war, it's not disease; it's money printing. That is the only explanation and it is the scientifically confirmed cause.


Terms used for different things have adjusted
Then what is the new term for inflation? We've established that it isn't "money supply" nor "increase in money supply".

Is this new term on the lips of every citizen when they shake their heads at the totals in stores? If the answer is "no" that would mean the subversion has succeeded because that IS the cause of that bottom number going up and up and up.
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That's like saying pressure is often measured by the gravity force of a liquid metal, so there was some utility in using a definition corresponding to what was being measured.

Oh wait, they kinda do, mm of mercury.
The price of goods is the direct effect on the customer. They don't care about the money supply otherwise.

Uniformly rising prices is the effect, inflating money supply is the cause.
It's one cause, not the only one.

They are definitely taxes and thus theft, not directly on the consumer (almost none of which have the first clue about importing)
The taxes are paid by buyers. Not really relevant which party pays the tax, but much of the incidence of the tax falls on consumers.

Define efficiency in this context.
Lack of deadweight loss or negative changes in consumer behavior.

Yet dips are correlated with inflation.
Hyperinflation, sure. So is deflation. Controlled, 2% inflation is fine, it's predictability that matters most.

They don't always make the price go up either. They can change behavior and thus shift the supply/demand curve drastically which means there are no absolute predictions, just a few absolute facts
Decreased supply/taxes increase prices. Even if there's some rare exception, we're talking about if they can contribute to price increases.

Yes it would, it's the increase in the cost of goods CAUSED by the excess increase in the money supply.
That's one cause, probably the main cause, but not always the only cause.

The problem is the equivocation of inflation with any increase in prices whatsoever
That's not a problem if that's the definition we use now. People know that it's referring to a change in prices, even if that change might be temporary.

In other words this is one of the rare instances where people's shallow understanding is actually exactly right, they are calling "all the prices are going up" "inflation" and that is exactly what it is even if they don't generally understand why.
So the definition isn't misleading.

It's not open taxation, it's not war, it's not disease; it's money printing.
Sometimes it's all four.

Then what is the new term for inflation? 
The new term for what you call inflation? An increase in the money supply. The term for prices going up? Inflation.

Is this new term on the lips of every citizen when they shake their heads at the totals in stores? If the answer is "no" that would mean the subversion has succeeded because that IS the cause of that bottom number going up and up and up.
The money supply is the main cause of inflation but not the only supply. If anything, we understand this better now. People used inflation to mean "prices going up" since forever, their limited understanding of why that is hasn't changed.
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Uniformly rising prices is the effect, inflating money supply is the cause.
It's one cause, not the only one.

Is this new term on the lips of every citizen when they shake their heads at the totals in stores? If the answer is "no" that would mean the subversion has succeeded because that IS the cause of that bottom number going up and up and up.
The money supply is the main cause of inflation but not the only supply.

Even if there's some rare exception, we're talking about if they can contribute to price increases.
It is the only non-transient cause.


Define efficiency in this context.
Lack of deadweight loss or negative changes in consumer behavior
Government spending is always dead weight.

Lack of deadweight loss = no dead weight = no government theft and spending

An impossible property for a tax to have.


Controlled, 2% inflation is fine, it's predictability that matters most.
It is justice and prosperity that matters most. Predictability is the obsession of central planners and day traders.

Why is 2% more predictable than 0%?


Decreased supply/taxes increase prices.
but not all of them at the same time over long periods.


Even if there's some rare exception, we're talking about if they can contribute to price increases.
If there is a scale large enough to walk around on, and I walk around it; I can increase local pressure, but I can't increase the scale total.

Inflation is adding more weight to the scale. Anything that can be charted on the supply demand curve is just moving weight around. Which can still screw people if their work is devalued compared to what they need/want; but fundamentally its a different phenomenon.


So the definition isn't misleading.
"all the prices are going up" is imprecise but not misleading. The only thing that makes "all the prices go up" is over-inflation of the money supply.

Contrast with post # where you said "An increase in prices"

Either you meant "a general increase in prices" which would be an imprecise definition of inflation (since that is only caused by excess increase in money supply), and your definition is compatible with pre-subversion websters, or you meant that when a fire takes out a orchard and the apple prices skyrocket locally that is also inflation in which case you're wrong and the definition is misleading.

Inflation is caused by national banks, but natural disasters can cause an increase in prices.


Then what is the new term for inflation? 
The new term for what you call inflation? An increase in the money supply. The term for prices going up? Inflation.
What is the term for the increase in general prices due to an excess increase in money supply?


The money supply is the main cause of inflation
Reading as "the money supply is the main cause of general increases in all prices"

What else can cause general (permanent) increase in all prices?
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It is the only non-transient cause.
Sure, but it's pretty useful to measure short term price changes too. Also measuring price changes wouldn't necessarily tell you just the effects of the money supply, since there could be short term factors like tariffs affecting the current price.

Government spending is always dead weight.
Public goods aren't always deadweight. It's good to have roads and schools.

It is justice and prosperity that matters most.
Predictability helps achieve prosperity. Companies like to know how many goods they need to produce and how to price them. Consumers like knowing how much to save and invest.

Why is 2% more predictable than 0%?
Well, either way would probably involve govt intervention but could be predictable. 2% is better because it's hard to control inflation exactly and it acts as a buffer against deflation. Deflation is likely worse for a number of reasons, one being that sticky wages can easily cause unemployment during a downturn.

Anything that can be charted on the supply demand curve is just moving weight around.
But those short term price increases matter to consumers, and they're what's directly measured by looking at the price of goods. Not that the short term is the only thing that matters, it's just a useful thing to measure.

Either you meant "a general increase in prices" which would be an imprecise definition of inflation
Prices don't always rise at the same rate, so the inflation rate is based on the overall trend.

What is the term for the increase in general prices due to an excess increase in money supply?
Increase in general prices is inflation regardless of the cause.

Reading as "the money supply is the main cause of general increases in all prices"

What else can cause general (permanent) increase in all prices?
I agree that it's the main cause, just not the only cause in the short term. Inflation rates are measured over short periods, you have to account somewhat for short term trends.
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He can't do that alone, not without going far more rouge than he has already; which I would welcome.

He would be the anti-FDR (who also went completely rouge, threatened the supreme court and likely did the same to congress to rubber stamp him effectively enacting the New Deal before it passed).

I wouldn't complain, it just seems too much to hope for.
Trump is the only one who has shown any will to fix USA. Where there is a will, there is a way. Other presidents didnt care to even try. Obama, Biden, Bush... what did they try?

I guess the way I would do it is this: I would take all the taxes that are mandated by congress; and then have all the various federal departments be a single cubicle with the director and a computer. All the departments do is pay citizens as government contractors.

There could be an algorithm that ensures every citizen is paid in proportion to the takes taken.

So they take 50k from me, and then one government department pays me 25k for homeland infrastructure, I'll clean up some litter and even donate to the county roads department. USAID pays me 5k for foreign relations, I tell my foreign cousins how great America is.
I do support the idea of government contractors, as long as there is competition between them. Kinda like US military production.
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That's a dangerous move Trump's doing. If it doesn't work, you're fucked and all the world will follow suit.
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That's a dangerous move Trump's doing
No, it was already played out in AI created scenario. The only ones who will suffer are those who export to USA a lot, especially countries like China. Its not a problem for USA, as Trump didnt place tariffs everywhere equally. But yeah, shit like Chinese smartphones and computers need to be taxed. There are other countries which produce smartphones, and you dont want to fund China until its government stops being complete garbage.
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Tariffs are actually a great therapy for inflation. It spurs domestic supply while suppressing demand for foreign goods. Inflation happens when too much cash drives demand for stagnating supply.
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The national debt exceeds $123 trillion, or nearly $800,000 per taxpayer.

It's the end of the USA as we know it and I feel fine!
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@Savant
It is the only non-transient cause.
Sure, but it's pretty useful to measure short term price changes too.
Such measurement does not require concept subversion.


Also measuring price changes wouldn't necessarily tell you just the effects of the money supply
Untangling factors is and always has been a losing battle, but that does not justify concept subversion. It doesn't even make an argument for concept subversion.

There are many reasons a solid changes shape (deforms), thermal expansion is just one, but that does not mean we should call any deformation thermal expansion; that would serve only to cause confusion and error.


Public goods aren't always deadweight. It's good to have roads and schools.
It's good to have bread, but when the government steals to provide bread it will be 90% dead weight not only because they will steal from the wrong places but they will also waste most of the money because they face no consequences personal or political for such waste.

The experiment has been run, 60 million people died.

The experiment is being run for education and healthcare, we are getting back 10% value at most, it gets worse every year, and as if that wasn't bad enough the theft has shifted the supply demand curve so that all investment into education and healthcare can only go towards government money laundering. Even more dead weight.


What is the term for the increase in general prices due to an excess increase in money supply?
Increase in general prices is inflation regardless of the cause.
That was not an answer.

Are you saying there is no longer a word specifically for "an increase in the amount of currency in circulation, resulting in a relatively sharp and sudden fall in its value and rise in prices"?
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@TheGreatSunGod
I do support the idea of government contractors, as long as there is competition between them. Kinda like US military production.
No competition, no checking if anything was produced. Just use it as an excuse to give money back to the people.

They call it "stimulus checks" in other circumstances. Just do it without redistribution (otherwise freeloaders) and you've basically stolen congress's power of the purse.