The Sopranos Mafia DP1

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@Moozer325
It's just an idea. If everyone hates it then don't do it. I think it would be nice to lock in some people to characters early though.

Hold on, you were getting uppity about early pressure on that2user and now you are all for having everyone give away all their role secrets. Why the change of heart towards that2 only?

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[1/5] Earth- (Pie)

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@Lunatic
I never had a problem with soft-claiming, I was just confused about why we were going after that2.
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She fumbled a lot under pressure as scum last game so easy to apply pressure and put her in a box
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@WyIted
Fair enough. It's just that since I wasn't In that game, I was looking for some background. I'll take your word for it.
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@Bullish
I don't remember the last time we had a good vs evil theme spilt.
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@Earth
I don't remember the last time we had a good vs evil theme spilt.
I'd say the closest I can easily remember is the Debate Mafia game. I wouldn't say that it's "good vs. evil" per se, but it was clearly sketchy tactics vs. much more normal elements of any given debate round.

That being said, it doesn't really matter since it doesn't seem like this theme has that kind of clean split between characters anyway. It might have others, but I'm unclear what they would be. 

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@WyIted
Are you town?
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@Moozer325
Do you think That2 should full claim
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[1/5] Earth- (Pie)

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@ILikePie5
She softed a mainish character 

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Just looking at the 2 female characters, I don't want to lynch that2 cause it looks like she's the only one with theme knowledge, so lets keep her around. 

Earth is not moving the game forward much but he playing to his meta as I vaguely recall the last game I played with him. 

I wanna lynch between casey and pie, for voting me last game and preventing a flawless town victory. 

VTL Casey

Describe your character without claiming.
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@ILikePie5
yes, but you don't have to worry about it. my plan is to draw the NK so you guys don't have a tough decision at MYLO/LYLO
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@ILikePie5
No, but I haven't played with them so maybe it is a good idea. I normally don't like to make big decisions based on past behavior, especially in DP1.
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@Bullish
Describe your character without claiming.
I will if you can give me an actual reason to sus me right now. 
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@Lunatic
Come pressure casey with me
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@Casey_Risk
we were pressuring that2 and you shut that down cause you thought it was "lame meta". Now I wanna pressure you, cause it's not lame meta.
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@Bullish
Come pressure casey with me
Okay VTL bullish
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@ILikePie5
Let's lynch casey. Last game it was down to you, me, vader, casey, and wylted. 

Wylted obviously wasn't voting himself. You wanted to vote wylted but didn't have enough votes. Vader made the wrong choice but he's the mod. That leaves casey to be the weak link when it comes to lynching scum. Let's lynch them now.
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@Lunatic
bruh
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@Bullish
Wylted obviously wasn't voting himself. You wanted to vote wylted but didn't have enough votes. Vader made the wrong choice but he's the mod. That leaves casey to be the weak link when it comes to lynching scum. Let's lynch them now.
I can't believe this but it's an excellent argument. I was listening to pies logic and thought it was fucking flawless. I was hoping to string Casey or Vader along until the end thinking I just need one of them to continue that behavior. 

The only issue with pies logic was that i didn't think he should have been in the clear but I also had inside knowledge that lunatic originally intended the role to be scum, but I know Casey thought he was town and mechanically (from her POV) I was pretty much caught so yes Casey is the weak link. 

I think from Vader POV he had pie as solid town so yes I should have been mechanicallu caught from his perspective and he was a weak link as well

Unvote VTL casey
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I think bullish has a guy feeling about Casey or inside knowledge. Let's just trust him

This behavior also makes me want to put him in my town pile with that2 and yes I agree Pie also feels off. 

If the scum team is specifically that2 and pie I think I am done playing though, it means the game is getting too easy.
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Guy = gut
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Why are we suddenly acting like past performance is the best thing to lynch by? Not that it isn’t helpful for thinking something’s through, but as far as I can see, the only reason right now for pressuring Casey is based on what happened last game. Is there something Im missing?
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Yeah ur missing the fact that DP1 is usually just bullshitting until we lynch some body
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I don't think either Bullish or WyIted is actively pursuing Casey for a lynch. I think this is just them striking out somewhat randomly (perhaps with some gutread) to find any weak links they can in order to pursue a claim. It's weak logic, but it's not like we have a direction for pursuing anything currently, so I guess it's as good as any right now.

That being said, I'm not going to just hop onboard the wagon for this. I'm going to need some better reasoning for pursuing Casey specifically based on this game. If there isn't, then I might as well roll the dice and pick someone at random.
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Why are we suddenly acting like past performance is the best thing to lynch by? Not that it isn’t helpful for thinking something’s through, but as far as I can see, the only reason right now for pressuring Casey is based on what happened last game. Is there something Im missing?
At this point you may as well have just confessed. 

Unvote VTL Moozer


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@WyIted
You say that every single DP1, how many times are you actually right?
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@Bullish
I know, but I’d still like it to be as educated of a guess as we can possibly make it. We’ve got the whole DP, let’s wait before going to the least bad solution.
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Unvote my troll vote from before. 

Early reads (we are 4 pages in so forgive me that these aren't that elaborate or established).

Whiteflame- Null- Coming off fairly reasonable and normal sounding. I'm always paranoid of whiteflame but so far he hasn't pinged my radar any more than usual, he is just someone I will perpetually keep a eye on. 

iLikePie5- Null very slight scum?- Not basing this off of much but the fact that he still seems to be eager to pursue that2user, which I initially hopped on that wagon as well but backed off when she made a pretty prominent soft claim. It's been pointed out to pie that she has but he still hasn't really backed off of it. I get that may be partially related to him not knowing the theme (I could be wrong on my assumption as well), but his attachment here seems oddly aggressive, and I do think that2 is putting a bit more effort in than the last game, so the established reason for pressing her seems to be less impactful here. I expect a bit more activity from pie as the day phase progresses. 

That2User- Town- Based on her soft claim and who I think she is claiming. If she ends up claiming something different than what I think she is later I will be pretty suspicious, but the fact that she didn't want to claim easily, claims she is "close" to Tony, and is a female, is a pretty large indicator to me who the character is, and that is a character I would imagine to be town and in the game based on the season 1 research I did.

Wylted- Slight town- Im using a bit of mod psyche here, but I have a hard time buying wylted lands scum three times in a row. Also he did technically start the last game as town, and I saw how he played as town adjacent to how he played as scum that game, so far I'd say his tells are more consistent with his town play. Wylted is kind of an enigma and can be very manipulative, but I am not seeing that manipulative side yet, so I am passing him off as town for now. 

Casey- Null- I don't have much on casey, I am not pressing her currently because I don't think my vote is needed, but I am fine with ultimately hearing more from her. We need a couple claims at least dp1, if she was chosen to be one of  those claims I guess then so be it, I don't agree that it should be her over anyone else in particular, (especially for the faulty reasoning of being wrong on a single lynch in the last game), but yeah, again fine pressuring her for somewhere to start. 

Earth- Null maybe town?- Hasn't really done anything to progress the game forward either, but his claim is an outlier in that he also claimed a female. There are quite a few female characters in the show, but so far we've only got two in game characters claimed as female. I feel like mafia would probably stick a male since theres sooo frikkin many to choose from, so I give him slight town cred for this, as female seems pretty risky in this set up. Without knowing the theme split, there could be several female characters considered prominent s1 (Carmella, Melfi, Meadow, Lyvia, Charmaine). Anyways, yeah just feels kind of risky and earth isn't really a risky scum player, so i'll toss him town cred for now.

Moozer- Null slight scum?- I don't really give moozer the noob pass anymore so I kind of find  some of his takes weird, and ultimately don't understand what his town goals and motivations are. He seems to be okay with town offering information, but when we specify any sort of target for a claim, he gets defensive for that person. First it was that2user, now its casey. He wants information, but doesn't want town to pursue it? I don't understand what his actual goal here is, and I feel like he may be scum using inside information of known town players to get defensive over these players, in the off chance one is lynched he can say "I told you so" because I literally see no other reason he is randomly defending people in dp1 like this.

Bullish- Null could go either way- Obviously punishing casey for a mistake she made in another game in lynching him is ridiculous, but I don't know if he expects that argument to be taken that seriously. I do know that bullish as town in the last game seemed frustrated when the game wasn't progressing and people were shooting his ideas to move the game forward down, so him applying pressure anywhere seems consistent with his town meta from the last game in some capacity. I just haven't seen scum bullish in a while either, so I don't know how to read his aggression here as normal or over aggressive. Casey is a player I don't consider a noob, and can easily fend for herself, so bullish relentlessly pressuring her early feels bolder than that usual push. My instincts say that is townie, but it doesn't really stir my gut well. I am just gonna stick him in null for now and monitor his aggression to see if it stays consistent, and if it doesn't see if there is practical reasons why it wouldn't.

Ultimately out of all my reads I like moozer the least and don't really understand his goal for moving the game forward, so if I had to choose to put pressure somewhere it would be on him. Again I don't think he gets the noob pass anymore.

vtl moozer