The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers. I'm not MAGA even if I agree with Trump from time to time.
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@RemyBrown
lex non cogit ad inutilia
Maybe he was talking about congress.
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@fauxlaw
lex non cogit ad inutilia
Si magnitudinem quaeris, hic summa sapientia est. Vincit Amor.
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@RemyBrown
Nothing special to see here, everybody wants to kill all the lawyers.
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@RemyBrown
03.29.2025 05:23PMThe first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers. I'm not MAGA even if I agree with Trump from time to time.
It’s Trump who is totally dependent on lawyers for everything.
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@fauxlaw
Killing lawyers is not trivial.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Si magnitudinem quaeris, hic summa sapientia est. Vincit Amor.
...is likely based upon a poem in hexameter by Vergil in 37 B.C.E, the last of a 10-poem series, and contains the line, "Omnia vincit. amor: et nos cedamus amori."
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@RemyBrown
Killing lawyers is not trivial.
I did not say it was. That's Will's line, not mine, you quoted. I said the law [sometimes] compels to do useless things - trivia.] We can distinguish the difference between lawyers and the law, yeah?
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@RemyBrown
The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers. I'm not MAGA even if I agree with Trump from time to time.
It really is a perfect example of why Trump won. Lawyers get a terrible rep for some of the terrible things they are able to accomplish but anyone who understands anything about what it takes to maintain a functioning democracy and rule of law understands how important lawyers are to maintaining a healthy society. But most people are deeply uninformed and even unintelligent so of course this appeals to them.
It's not that Trump is smart, it's that he's so stupid it takes no effort for him to know how to appeal to stupid people, which unfortunately make up the bulk of our society.
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@Double_R
it takes no effort for him to know how to appeal to stupid people,
Why did it take so much more effort for Kamala?
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@Greyparrot
Because when the room is full of stupid people, laying out the details of your economic plans and explaining how they will benefit working families can't compete with Trump telling voters that Kamala's economic plans are "very very bad".
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@Double_R
That doesn't really answer my question. I am genuinely curious why Kamala had such a hard time grabbing those votes, assuming she wanted to win the election.
What do you see about Kamala herself that made it so hard to connect with that voter base? She certainly seemed able to speak in code to various different audiences. I would even say she was pretty good at it admittedly. So why that particular group?
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@Greyparrot
I hope you bought a lot of Tesla stock last night.
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@FLRW
I got other devalued stock, and a lot of it
It's hilarious how they can go from saying "our democracy" 24 times per second (the unit there is virtue-signal-hertz) to "most people are dumb, just really dumb".
They are dumb, that's why humanity keeps walking onto the rake that is socialism.
If you trust democracy you trust those dumb people.
If you trust lawyers you believe in Dredd v Scott.
If you trust congress you believe the deficit must be working out fine.
We will see no improvement in outcome until more people trust reason, that is what makes dumb people smart.
That doesn't really answer my question. I am genuinely curious why Kamala had such a hard time grabbing those votes, assuming she wanted to win the election.What do you see about Kamala herself that made it so hard to connect with that voter base? She certainly seemed able to speak in code to various different audiences. I would even say she was pretty good at it admittedly. So why that particular group?
Kamala underestimated the stupidity of people in large groups.
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@Greyparrot
That doesn't really answer my question. I am genuinely curious why Kamala had such a hard time grabbing those votes, assuming she wanted to win the election.What do you see about Kamala herself that made it so hard to connect with that voter base? She certainly seemed able to speak in code to various different audiences. I would even say she was pretty good at it admittedly. So why that particular group?
Because Kamala had something Trump doesn't have; shame. Kamala understood reality. She understood that prices were not going to go back down. She understood that the war in Ukraine would not be over on day one. She understood that the debt and deficit are real problems that are not easy to solve. So she spoke to that reality.
The problem with Trump is that he is either a moron (which I generally go with because I believe in taking people at their word for the purposes of political assessment) or he is a brazen liar. He told everyone he would fix prices, the stupid people believed him. He told everyone the war in Ukraine would be over on day one because he'll negotiate a good deal that everyone will love, the stupid people believed him. He said he'll fix the deficit by getting rid of waste fraud and abuse, the stupid people believed him.
Kamala knew better and wasn't willing to lie as brazenly as Trump. That's why she, along with every other politician in America fails to connect with Trump's base like only he can. Trump gives them hope because he makes them feel like finally someone's listening to them. The problem is that they're disconnected from reality. If you are educated you know what they want is not real life but they don't want to hear it.
*This* is the reason for the education gap in our politics right now. When Trump is gone that will dissipate to some extent, maybe back down to 2015 levels. That is my single greatest reason for being so vehemently anti-Trump. He's literally making us dumber as a nation and destroying any chance of finding solutions to real problems.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
If you trust democracy you trust those dumb people.
Democracy isn't just about choosing your leader, it's an entire system of checks and balances. We may still be a democracy, but Trump has managed to erode us to the point where we are functioning as an autocracy. The power to tax and declare war is vested in Congress, yet Trump is claiming emergency powers on the basis of us being at war and Congress is doing nothing about it despite these declarations being cartoonishly absurd. So now he's silencing and deporting people with no hearings, he's firing any and everyone who is insufficiently loyal to him personally, and he's taxing the entire nation according to his third grade and 100 year old understanding of economics.
The point of checks in a democracy is to ensure the nation is not subject to the whims of one (very moody) man. We have all throughout history seen the danger of an autocrat having the power to change the direction of their nation with the snap of his fingers. That's what democracy is supposed to protect against, yet that is exactly what we have.
So no, it's not about trusting the dumb people, it's about trusting the system by which representatives of those dumb people engage. But you have to have a system first, that's what Trump is trying to destroy. That is what makes him so dangerous. That is why we keep talking about democracy.
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@Double_R
If you trust democracy you trust those dumb people.Democracy isn't just about choosing your leader, it's an entire system of checks and balances.
That's constitutional republicanism actually (republic as in Plato's republic, the idea of engineered government which uses power blocs as moving parts in a machine).
If you trusted that then you are lost in constitutional crises, a crises that can arise simply by one of the parts exceeding their designed authority.
The power to tax and declare war is vested in Congress
When was the last time war was declared by congress? When was the last time the US military intentionally killed someone in foreign or international territory?
Trump's been eroding from the shadows for a while it seems.
yet Trump is claiming emergency powers on the basis of us being at war
lol, yea; why go so far when a virus is apparently a sufficient excuse?
We have all throughout history seen the danger of an autocrat having the power to change the direction of their nation with the snap of his fingers.
Indeed, and many other duties abused and power misused. We have seen the creep of bureaucracy and stagnant corruption it decays into destroy large federations time and again. In China alone it has happened like six times.
Note: Chinese civil wars over history account for the majority of avoidable deaths, both in absolute terms and normalized to global population.
So no, it's not about trusting the dumb people
Oh I know, that's why I knew that only dumb people claimed to think that and only dishonest people (like yourself) claimed to think that while knowing full well that you don't trust the majority.
Your dishonesty here manifests by attempting to equivocate on the word "democracy". You can save whatever excuse you may have on that, I don't care.
Honest well educated people know about the aztecs, and once you know about the aztecs trusting majorities just isn't possible without some form of internal contradiction. All you have to do to make the dumb people's brain stop working is ask "what if the majority decided to eat the babies?", when they say "that would never happen", you just point out it happened.
I never claimed to have loyalty to the will of the majority, I do love some ironic karma though, and people who claim to derive their moral authority from a principle getting kicked in the ass by that principle will always be satisfying.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Your dishonesty here manifests by attempting to equivocate on the word "democracy". You can save whatever excuse you may have on that, I don't care.Honest well educated people know about the aztecs, and once you know about the aztecs trusting majorities just isn't possible without some form of internal contradiction. All you have to do to make the dumb people's brain stop working is ask "what if the majority decided to eat the babies?"
That's why we have a constitution. The will of the majority isn't enough to legalize that.
If you're next "argument" is to point out that constitution's can be amended then, setting aside the overwhelming majorities that would require along with other hurdles, the answer is that if we live in a society where such a sizable majority decided they wanted to eat babies the problem has nothing to do with the form of government in place. That's not something that can be fixed, so this entire conversation is useless.
I never claimed to have loyalty to the will of the majority, I do love some ironic karma though, and people who claim to derive their moral authority from a principle getting kicked in the ass by that principle will always be satisfying.
I know, it's always satisfying watching people get bitten by a principal they never actually held but that you made up for your own satisfaction.
A strong value in the principals of democracy doesn't mean everything will be perfect, nor does it mean the people deciding it's future are competent enough to make those decisions. We believe in democracy because it's the best option we have given that the alternative will always boil down to some form of autocracy.
Venting about the stupidity of the people you share a society with =/= being wrong or logically contradictory about valuing democracy.
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@Double_R
That's why we have a constitution. The will of the majority isn't enough to legalize that.
Well you could do it with a supreme court majority too.
They've decided twice that certain classes of homosapien sapiens organisms weren't entitled to due process protections.
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Three times if you want to include "foreign terrorists" (how about that timing?)
Also you could do it with taxes.
Babies owe taxes, they never pay, the punishment is death, and then of course repaying the debt as a sacrificial meal.
Kinda like obamacare individual mandate.
"No no, you don't HAVE to sign up; it's just the only way to get the tax rebate."
I'd do guns but we don't have all day. Short and sweet:
Constitution - "Ad hoc armies are a right, weapons are a right"
Courts - unless those weapons or armies are in any way dangerous, until you go through an unlimited set of bureaucratic hoops and fees
Your part time sacred cow is dead and rotting. You don't believe in it anymore than you believe in democracy.