Serial Killer Mafia DP1

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Alright then. Interesting claim. One thing that bugs me a bit about it, however, is that Gary Ridgway himself wasn't hiding from anyone (at least, not any more so than any of the rest of us), but rather he was hiding other people from being found. That's what stands out to me the most. Does anyone else have a role that doesn't directly relate to what your character actually did themself?
Yeah, I have the same reaction to the Hider claim. I don't love that the role is built on your serial killer hiding corpses rather than hiding himself. My role is very explicitly tied to the actions of my character.

Beyond that, the Hider role is just one that comes off as very safe with a perceived "validation" achieved by never being killed by hiding behind scum. It should almost be sussed by default since scum necessarily won't die as a result of using it, so each NP you survive makes it stand out more.

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@Savant
Only if scum has redirector.
No, you misunderstand what I'm saying. A Hider can try to bait the NK knowing that they'll be hiding somewhere else, causing the NK to fail, but now that won't work, because the mafia aren't going to directly try and kill That2. 
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We can lynch the hider claim later. If they're town, then at least we got some utility from it.
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Essentially my role becomes confirming players as town if we survive in the night
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@Savant
We can lynch the hider claim later. If they're town, then at least we got some utility from it.
There's some validity to that since That2 could at least validate the target they choose for NP1 (though it's likely That2 will just be the NK next DP anyway). I will point out that you know that my current alternative is you, right? Your current vote's on WyIted. Convince me that that's the right choice.

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the Hider role is just one that comes off as very safe with a perceived "validation" achieved by never being killed by hiding behind scum.
If hider claim is scum, then unless they hide behind their partner, they'll have to eliminate a town player from the PoE every day.
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Miswrote that. I meant the lynch next DP anyway, not the NK.
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If hider claim is scum, then unless they hide behind their partner, they'll have to eliminate a town player from the PoE every day.
Again, fair. See above.
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Going to catch up a bit but I feel a bit burned out of mafia but still going to try and put in the effort
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@Savant
Sure, but it's better than nothing. Nobody is affiliation confirmed. If we discover mafia have a role blocker or something, then you'll know I'm probably not that. Also why go after me? Does having a confirmable role make me more suspicious than everybody without one?
It’s utility. That2’s role gives us information about her affiliation regardless of her true affiliation. You cannot prove your affiliation. I also want to test out my theme theory even though it’s probably wrong. You going after Wylted here also does not make any sense to me because he hasn’t had a chance to claim either
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I will point out that you know that my current alternative is you, right? Your current vote's on WyIted. Convince me that that's the right choice.
I've made the case before, but here it is: WyIted's usual meta is something like 50% trolling, 50% contributing to town. Right now, I think 0% of his posts have actually contributed to scum hunting, but he's posting a lot. Easy way to waste time. I'm also more inclined to vote someone who's posted a lot while giving very limited info about their role. All WyIted has said is that his character rapes separate from murders. That's almost entirely designed to be vague and describe like 100 different serial killers.

You want to know why we're feeling a lot of time pressure right now? A good chunk of that is due to WyIted derailing the conversation by asking about rape (which is a pretty limited way to narrow down characters). We get some blame for letting derail things, but he did, and now here we are. Any other player would be sussed for this, but WyIted gets the benefit of being a known troll, so his antics don't get looked at too hard.
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You going after Wylted here also does not make any sense to me because he hasn’t had a chance to claim either
He hasn't claimed his role yet, but he has definitely claimed his character. 
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he hasn’t had a chance to claim either
Ok, so make him claim. You have two votes. You can put pressure and have a lot of power to direct the conversation.
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he has definitely claimed his character.
I'm going back to see if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't. A lot of fluff posting though.
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Ok so from what I have gathered I am honestly leaning a bit more on Savant because of the nature of his killer but I also am not very fond of That2's claim. I don't know I feel like claiming Hider and with that justification is pretty weak IMO because you can make that argument for every serial killer there is a hider. I also made this mistake as scum with Hider where I claimed Hider but it was actually a weak hider
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How did Wylted claim his character in the last game? 
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I'm a little hesitant to push him based on the troll vs. contributing ratio, but I will acknowledge a lack of information about his character and role. That does suggest a question, though: are you looking for specifics on his character and/or role or do you believe that he should just be lynched outright?
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@Casey_Risk
I don't remember, I'm talking about this game.
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Casey is a slight town lean in this game. Way more active and engaging with different players than I think I have seen them which makes me feel like they are pretty much town and genuinely trying to hunt scum. The interogation of Savant puts that in
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Push first. I know we've got limited time, but I'd still rather give him a chance to claim. Unless he's something like doctor, I'd probably still prefer him as a lynch though.
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I don't remember, I'm talking about this game.
I bring it up for a very particular reason 
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@Vader
How do you read WyIted?
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Honestly I barely remember last game. Guess I can check.
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I am also really sus of Austin. I hate putting the basis of activity but for someone who says, "they know a lot about this theme" and really hasn't contributed much to the analysis besides a few saying and they gave off behavioral vibes. Which isn't bad at all but I felt like they would be putting way more time into theme analysis. Makes me think they are withholding info as scum
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@WyIted
I can see you are online rn, dude.
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Tbh i have a gut town read because in the last game where Wylted and I flopped as scum he was really pissed at Luna for being a theme-aholic and trying to meta analyze every theme and I think as a way of venting he might just be doing the same thing here which makes me he's a town lean but I am not sure I can never get a solid behavior read on him
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@Savant
Ok, so make him claim. You have two votes. You can put pressure and have a lot of power to direct the conversation.
you’re doing the exact same thing you’re accusing Wylted of doing ironically lol. We don’t have time. It’s you or That2 as of right now
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If I remember correctly the green river killer didn't hide bodies he just dumped them in the river or around the area
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i have a gut town read because in the last game where Wylted and I flopped as scum he was really pissed at Luna for being a theme-aholic and trying to meta analyze every theme and I think as a way of venting he might just be doing the same thing here which makes me he's a town lean
I have a hard time seeing what he's posted as theme analysis...has he posted anything you would classify as scum hunting?
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Somebody should fact check that though. I think he was a disorganized killer and low IQ who got away with it due to how random the homicides were