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This game is frustrating for me, because I can see a reason to townread literally every single player right now. Most of them for reasons I already mentioned, but Whiteflame, who was in my PoE pool before, is now one of my strongest townreads for the way he revealed his character like that, at great risk of possibly being CC'ed. Savant's claim definitely sticks out, but behaviorally speaking he feels completely fine to me, a little bit towny, even. And Austin is really hard for me to buy as scum simply because his role is so easily confirmable and heavily leans town with the way he described it.

One thing that's unclear to me, however: Austin, do you choose to give your item during the night or during the day?

Anyway, I no longer am particularly sus of anyone in my previous pool. Considering all the character claims and softclaims that have been made up to this point, I just can't give much credit to an early soft anymore. With that in mind, That2 stands out as my new least towny read. Her character seems to be the least well-known out of everyone so far except for Savant, and nothing about her behavior in particular strikes me as towny. I also get the urge to downshift Bullish in my rankings, though he might just be lazytown. And I really want Pie to claim just so we all know wtf is going on there, but I'm okay with pushing That2 for now.

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Official Vote Count:

That2User- 3/6- Pie1, whiteflame, casey
Savant- 2/6- Wylted, bullish
Vader- 1/6- Vader
Austin- 1/6- savant


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Didn't that2 really nail herself down to a claim by saying she has a power role. Is my memory failing me? 

Savant feels more off to me TBH. I don't see a compelling reason to town read that2 but she did I think tie herself down to having to claim something like cop or doctor or something like that.
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She’s been a lot more interrogative compared to last game
Players tend to be more interrogative as town and try to blend in as scum. Of reasons to scum read that2, I wouldn't say that's one of them.
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Savant feels more off to me TBH.
When do I not? lol
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Also, why not use both votes?

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I was wondering that as well lol. It's why I need more information on you. I can't trust my gut here
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@Savant
Players tend to be more interrogative as town and try to blend in as scum. Of reasons to scum read that2, I wouldn't say that's one of them.
That makes no sense
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@WyIted
It's why I need more information on you. I can't trust my gut here
I mean I gave you everything I could without copy-pasting my PM. If I get lynched early again because I "feel off," I'm cursed or something.
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@ILikePie5
That makes no sense
Which part
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I am the town hider, I hid my victims in forests and hid my crimes ~20 years before being linked to them with dna evidence. I insta die if I hide behind mafia. 
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So whoever I hide behind is town
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If I survive hiding behind them and they do not get shot by mafia
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@That2User
I am the town hider, I hid my victims in forests and hid my crimes ~20 years before being linked to them with dna evidence. I insta die if I hide behind mafia. 
Do you die if the player you hide behind dies?
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I do die if they die
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@That2User
I insta die if I hide behind mafia.
Well that sucks. If scum can redirect, you're dead.
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If scum can redirect? Wdym
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If they have a redirector role.
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@That2User
Alright then. Interesting claim. One thing that bugs me a bit about it, however, is that Gary Ridgway himself wasn't hiding from anyone (at least, not any more so than any of the rest of us), but rather he was hiding other people from being found. That's what stands out to me the most. Does anyone else have a role that doesn't directly relate to what your character actually did themself?
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I found it weird too, he hid from being captured out of dumb luck
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Playing aggressively today to see who is scum
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Need to fimd who to hide behind
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*find
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Actually, Pie is right, we really don't have much time to discuss this. The day is going to end before very long and we need to coalesce around a lynch. I'd be okay with lynching Savant or That2, who feel like the only realistic options to me right now. If they're town and we're wrong, at least with Savant we're only losing a messenger, not a huge deal. The utility of That2's role (potentially baiting the NK and causing it to fail) has also been more or less ruined by them claiming.
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Also, why not use both votes?
It’s for pressure. Why do you care how I use my votes?
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@That2User
I am the town hider, I hid my victims in forests and hid my crimes ~20 years before being linked to them with dna evidence. I insta die if I hide behind mafia. 
So you’re a Weak Hider. But how is anything distinct compared to basically every serial killer? 
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@Casey_Risk
has also been more or less ruined by them claiming.
Only if scum has redirector.

Why do you care how I use my votes?
I wasn't sure if you had a role reason for only using one vote, and you are still a possible third party or scum.

That2 can town confirm people, and I know I'm town. I don't like these options. But you're right, we don't have much time. I'm going with my gut here. If WyIted is town, he's played pretty unhelpfully so far.

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@Casey_Risk
Actually, Pie is right, we really don't have much time to discuss this. The day is going to end before very long and we need to coalesce around a lynch. I'd be okay with lynching Savant or That2, who feel like the only realistic options to me right now. If they're town and we're wrong, at least with Savant we're only losing a messenger, not a huge deal. The utility of That2's role (potentially baiting the NK and causing it to fail) has also been more or less ruined by them claiming.
I agree with this sentiment. We get more information by leaving That2 alive than not. Savant doesn’t have much utility anyways and role confirmation doesn’t mean affiliation confirmation.
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@ILikePie5
 role confirmation doesn’t mean affiliation confirmation.
Sure, but it's better than nothing. Nobody is affiliation confirmed. If we discover mafia have a role blocker or something, then you'll know I'm probably not that. Also why go after me? Does having a confirmable role make me more suspicious than everybody without one?