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@Savant
Maybe he's just busy, but his lazy play style here is a possible red flag. I know he said his role might gain utility from saying what it is, but then why not say that instead of his character? Seems like giving information to scum for nothing
If I'm giving info to scum for nothing, then surely I'm town?

And it's correct for me to role claim later in the day, after some scummier players have been pressured, while still leaving time to discuss the claim. Whereas the character claim doesn't matter so much in regard to ordering.

Ik we've often town-v-towned in the past over stuff like this so I'm not going to push this, but I don't really get the reasoning for scumreading me past activity which is NAI (I'm literally more active as scum than town).


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@Bullish
My first thought was man vs woman tbf
Has That2 said what she is yet?
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The way Whiteflame and Casey handled the character claims are extremely towny.

WF claiming his character to try and pressure Savant is just a very pro-town move, regardless of Savant's alignment, don't see why he outs his character like that under little pressure unless he genuinely believes it's best for town and is suspicious of Savant softing a similar one.

Casey immediately jumping to Savant is a bit harder to characterize, but it doesn't read as having TMI on either WF or Savant's alignment - I think scum are naturally a lot more hesitant to kinda "gotcha" people like that, it reads like they genuinely believe in Savant just being caught here even though there wasn't a hard CC.

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@AustinL0926
If I'm giving info to scum for nothing, then surely I'm town?
I mean, I phrased it that way as in "if Austin is town, why is he doing x?"

Ik we've often town-v-towned in the past over stuff like this so I'm not going to push this, but I don't really get the reasoning for scumreading me past activity which is NAI
I'm town reading you more with your newer posts, maybe just since I have more to go off of. I don't see those four items going to scum, and I don't see you making them up as scum either.
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@Casey_Risk
Vader - towniest player here. No way he YOLO'ed Ted Bundy of all people just like that. Justification also makes way too much sense. 
Going to need you to explain this a bit more. 

I agree that he's likely character and role confirmed, but why do you think that makes him town?
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@That2User
I wish I was engaged in this game, the theme kills my motivation to play. Bullish's reaction to being pushed feels real, pretty dramatic. Wanting to move the game is town play,  I like the thought put into the latest defense of character claiming. Hope Bullish is not engaging in theater. 
Yet you’ve posted a lot more than prior games…
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@WyIted
I don't think both pies would be scum just one and I know everyone is like "but how would that work". Obviously the scum pie is not aware of his scum partner otherwise it would interfere with town pie playing to his wincon. If I was Pie and scum I would NK myself to just simplify the game and because I would see myself as a threat to myself
Playing with 2 separate wincons is just bastard lol. It literally means I win either way. 
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@WyIted
I would also be willing to lynch pie 2 unless he becomes more active
Pie 1 and Pie 2 are both eating pie right now
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@AustinL0926
Anyway, I'll just claim inventor. Usually I'm a lot tighter with role claiming but I haven't been particularly active and I think it's useful to claim here. 

Basically, my justification is that Ed Gein made items from his victims, therefore I can send items to other players. However, only I know what they do, which is why it's mechanically correct for me to claim that before I send them, since some are negative utility, some are positive, some are neutral, etc. So if I didn't claim, that'd basically force the receiver of my item to use it blind and that's a risk.

My four items are (had to paraphrase some weird stuff but this should all be mechanically accurate):

Mary Hogan's Face Mask: Asceticizer (target will become immune to non-lethal actions for the night)
Belt of Nipples: Cop check (target can cop check another player that night but forfeits all other abilities)
Chair Covered in Human Skin: Commuter (target can't be targeted, can't target other players)
Human Skull Soup Bowl: Strengthener (target's action can't be stopped/interfered with)

So... discuss how we want these to be used.
So how does claiming this give you more utility?
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@ILikePie5
Because the receiver of the item doesn't know what they do. E.g. if I sent the third item to a cop, I could end up ruining their investigation, if I send the first item to someone who's protecting themselves, it could fail, etc.


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Basically, how it works is that I send the item, Lunatic tells the receiver the name of the item and asks them whether they want to use it or not (without telling them what it does), and if they choose to use it, then they gain the listed effect.
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1. Whiteflame - Aileen Wuornos - ???
2. Casey_Risk
3. Austin - Ed Gein - Inventor: Commuter, Asceticizer, Cop, Strengthener
4. Bullish - John Wayne Gacy - ???
5. iLikePie5 (1)
6. ILikePie5 (2)
7. Supadudz - Ted Bundy - Popular
8. Savant - Myra Hindley - Messenger
9. Wylted
10. That2User - Gary Ridgway - ???

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@AustinL0926
Basically, how it works is that I send the item, Lunatic tells the receiver the name of the item and asks them whether they want to use it or not (without telling them what it does), and if they choose to use it, then they gain the listed effect.
So you know what they do, but whoever you give it to will not until they waive their action if they have one
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I have a theory on themesplit, and it implicates Savant right now based on everyone that has claimed so far
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@AustinL0926
If we collectively decide who you send the item to, that could potentially make it easier for scum to interfere. If anything, we should probably have some number of people agree to use some item, and then you pick one of them randomly.
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@ILikePie5
I have a theory on themesplit, and it implicates Savant right now based on everyone that has claimed so far
Well it's already been brought up that my character could be part of a scum pair. But then, the theme split could also be pretty much anything, and all it takes is one scum fake claiming to make it near impossible to identify the split.
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@Savant
Well it's already been brought up that my character could be part of a scum pair. But then, the theme split could also be pretty much anything, and all it takes is one scum fake claiming to make it near impossible to identify the split.
Ik, which is why it’s subject to change.
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I’ve made Messenger scum before. And we know role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. 
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I want to lynch That2. Something feels off with her compared to previous game.

VTL That2
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Official Vote Count:

Savant- 3/6- Wylted, Casey, bullish
That2User- 1/6- Pie1
Vader- 1/6- Vader
Austin- 1/6- savant

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@ILikePie5
ill assume votes non specified will be from pie 1
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@ILikePie5
I want to lynch That2. Something feels off with her compared to previous game.
I'm open to this lynch, but at least give a reason beyond "something feels off."
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@Lunatic
ill assume votes non specified will be from pie 1
Oh ya sorry. Thats fine
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@Savant
I'm open to this lynch, but at least give a reason beyond "something feels off."
I did. She’s been a lot more interrogative compared to last game and she’s shifted a lot
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Game ends at 8am est tomorrow. We need to make a decision.
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See above 
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@AustinL0926
Going to need you to explain this a bit more. 

I agree that he's likely character and role confirmed, but why do you think that makes him town?
Two reasons: first, Luna said that the theme split is fairly simple, and I can't see how Ted Bundy as a claim stands out in any way, shape or form from all the other claims so far, plus my own character. Second, we know that scum were not given fakeclaims, and claiming Ted Bundy, one of the most famous serial killers ever, would just be way too risky. There's a difference between making a risky move as scum and being reckless and borderline suicidal. So Ted Bundy has to be his real character, at which point refer to my first point. Also, there's the point that WF made earlier: it's really hard for me to see Vader instaclaiming Popular this game as scum after what happened in the last one. Yeah, that's something of a WIFOM argument, but I really buy it tbh.
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@That2User
I want to lynch That2. Something feels off with her compared to previous game.

I did. She’s been a lot more interrogative compared to last game and she’s shifted a lot
I'm a little undecided between Savant and That2, but I can see a case for That2 that goes beyond a claim. I agree, That2's behavior this game does feel significantly different than it did last game. I think interrogative does make sense as a descriptor (I pointed out that That2 was online after Bullish claimed but it took quite a while after that before they posted again), and the character claim has me a bit on edge as well. Just feels a little off compared with most of the claims so far, a little safer.

At the very least, I think a full claim is warranted. 

VTL That2
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@AustinL0926
If anything, we should probably have some number of people agree to use some item, and then you pick one of them randomly.
I agree with this. Personally, I'm fine with not being given an item tonight.
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@That2User
Ur presence is requested