Serial Killer Mafia DP1

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@Savant
but then there are so many serial killers to fake claim who are less obscure than Myra Hindley. Not saying it's impossible that a scum player would brazenly claim their actual character, but they're probably less likely to when the theme split is supposedly obvious to them.
There aren't many female serial killers, however. I think it's very possible you softed Wuornos with Hindley as your backup. 
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@Casey_Risk
So, was your good reason just that your role is technically confirmable?
I wanted to bait a night kill to protect town power roles + didn't want to make it easier for scum to fake claim. Did the same thing last game, and it didn't work, but it's worked in the past. Of course it completely backfired now that I've been forced to claim, but I figured it was worth the risk.
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@Casey_Risk
There aren't many female serial killers, however. I think it's very possible you softed Wuornos with Hindley as your backup.
If I was scum, part of an obvious pair, and was going to fake claim, why would I soft claim someone similar to my actual role?
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@Savant
Did the same thing last game, and it didn't work, but it's worked in the past. 
The reason it didn't work last game is because you've done it successfully in the past. You gotta change up your meta from time to time. 
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@Savant
If I was scum, part of an obvious pair, and was going to fake claim, why would I soft claim someone similar to my actual role?
I'm not necessarily saying Hindley is your actual character, just that you had her in mind in case your Wuornos soft went south. 
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I know it seems like I'm going hard against you Savant, and I am, but truthfully I'm going back and forth in my mind right now. The way you're defending yourself doesn't come across as desperate, and you do have a fairly consistent meta. Of course, you would also know that and could use that as an argument to help you as scum. Not sure what to make of your justification. I need to think about this a bit. 
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@Casey_Risk
Ok, but the role being part of a pair was what you thought was suspicious. That doesn't increase the odds of it being a fake claim.
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VTL Savant
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@Bullish
Any other commentary to offer?
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no.
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Cool, thanks.
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Dude, not even a read? Even if you think I'm scum, it doesn't help town to not provide an explanation for voting me.
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Official Vote Count:

Savant- 3/6- Wylted, Casey, bullish
Vader- 1/6- Vader
Austin- 1/6- savant


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So I'm not putting much stock in role claims right now, since one scum could easily say their actual character without revealing the theme split. Given that I'm the only one on the chopping block right now, here are the people I'd be willing to lynch, from most scummy to least:

WyIted - Mainly reasons I've said before. Saying my role is obscure I guess is an attempt at scum hunting, but it's the laziest form of it and was something most people would have seen already. Normally, I'd expect WyIted to offer some substantive analysis in addition to messing around, but it's just been trolling and fluff posting from him this game.

Austin - Mainly for showing up only to character claim, very sparce list of reads, and then dipping out. Giving his character up makes it easier for scum to fake claim, and he could have put in more resistance to giving away what his character was. Also, he's a good player, but hasn't really done anything to help with scum hunting. Maybe he's just busy, but his lazy play style here is a possible red flag. I know he said his role might gain utility from saying what it is, but then why not say that instead of his character? Seems like giving information to scum for nothing

That2User - Seems to be throwing out a lot of reads without much justification. Maybe that's their play style as town, but it also reads as trying to find what sticks. The soft claim makes sense, I guess, but again, I'm not putting much stock in claims.
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Saying my role is obscure
Character is obscure and not well known
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I would also be willing to lynch pie 2 unless he becomes more active
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Character is obscure and not well known
Eh, I think that she'd be much better-known in Britain, same thing with my character. I feel like I may have heard about Hindley once or twice before tbh. The wiki page vaguely rings a bell in my mind.

I would also be willing to lynch pie 2 unless he becomes more active
I am also waiting for Pie to show up. Feels like I'm waiting for Godot.
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I am trying to not be too judgemental because he did this when another game started on a weekend but I also think he hates playing as scum and would be less motivated to post in that situation, plus it doesn't help that he is essentially double voter and a popular exists in the game which seems to balance each other out.
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@WyIted
Technically, lynching a Pie role is lower-risk, since we get info but he still gets to post. But I'm pretty hesitant to lynch him for just that reason. If we did go that route, we should have him claim both his characters/roles, then pick one randomly to lynch. That way he's incentivized not to lie about either.
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@Savant
If we did go that route, we should have him claim both his characters/roles, then pick one randomly to lynch. That way he's incentivized not to lie about either.
That's... actually not a terrible idea. Though I'd still rather us try to nail scum tbh.
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@Casey_Risk
If one of his roles is scum it is pie2.

Don't ask me why but I ran the numbers in my head and just for wifom reasons between us and the mod he has to make pie 2 scum.
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I think Savant is town.

I've done research into the case as part of a project for school, Myra Hindley did allegedly communicate with coded messages to the other killer both before and after the killings.

It's pretty easy to find with a quick google.

If you think he's scum, you'd have to buy that he researched an obscure fact in order to create a justification for his role, while also not bothering to defend himself with his research.


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Catching up now
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@WyIted
I am getting town vibes from pie 1 not pie 2 so much

VTL Pie 2
Ya Pie 2 is kinda a jerk 
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@whiteflame
Yeah, I buy this. It does fit Ted Bundy, but more importantly, I just can't see Vader claiming this as scum after last game. Maybe that's naive of me, but it didn't exactly work out well for WyIted, and Vader was on that scum team.
Ya I agree. We need to test it, assuming it hasn’t already been done. We also need to continue to test it every day  as well.
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@whiteflame
Giving it some more thought after reading your posts.

First off, I think it's interesting that this happened at all. Luna had two back-ups, so you're not simply filling an empty Town slot. He would have just given you a double voter role if he wanted you to have two votes. So that suggests that whatever role you have is specifically built with splitting you across two separate characters. They could share a role or they could be two separate roles that somehow interrelate. I haven't decided which yet. To be clear, I'm not fishing for an answer because I'm honestly more intrigued to see this play out right now than I am to just get an explanation from you.
It’ll make sense when I claim. You’re thinking makes a lot of sense though.

As for how that could play out, I suppose it's not utterly impossible that you're scum. There could be a Lone Wolf in this game and one of you could be that role, while the other could be a TP. That being said, part of the reason I don't believe this is the same reason I don't believe you're a scum/town pair: I can't see you functioning at cross purposes for yourself to try and satisfy two entirely distinct wincons. It's the same problem with you being TP/town, though I guess the TP could be Survivor or something that just wins independently.
Playing with 2 separate wincons is just bastard imo.

So most likely you're town/town. It's the easiest explanation anyway and one that doesn't invite a whole lot of other questions about why you'd have two separate characters that pursue distinct and potentially clashing ends. It's not impossible that that scenario would exist, particularly as this is new territory regardless, but that's my assumption right now.

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@Bullish
I've only read the first page. My guy is definitely a rapist, although my PM makes no mention of rape. Also my role justification is pretty shit. Are we doing mass character claims? I think we should. 
I disagree with this. It gives scum a massive advantage cause they can put 2 and 2 together easier because they have an informed perspective 

Also we should test vader's claim. Part of the reason I fake claimed popular 2 games ago was because that claim was untestable. 
I agree

I've been reading up on some serial killers, and man, the police are retarded.
Lol
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@That2User
Pressing Bullish feels like a good move
Why?
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Anyway, I'll just claim inventor. Usually I'm a lot tighter with role claiming but I haven't been particularly active and I think it's useful to claim here. 

Basically, my justification is that Ed Gein made items from his victims, therefore I can send items to other players. However, only I know what they do, which is why it's mechanically correct for me to claim that before I send them, since some are negative utility, some are positive, some are neutral, etc. So if I didn't claim, that'd basically force the receiver of my item to use it blind and that's a risk.

My four items are (had to paraphrase some weird stuff but this should all be mechanically accurate):

Mary Hogan's Face Mask: Asceticizer (target will become immune to non-lethal actions for the night)
Belt of Nipples: Cop check (target can cop check another player that night but forfeits all other abilities)
Chair Covered in Human Skin: Commuter (target can't be targeted, can't target other players)
Human Skull Soup Bowl: Strengthener (target's action can't be stopped/interfered with)

So... discuss how we want these to be used.
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@Casey_Risk
Okay, now this is a more interesting argument. I looked him up and from what I can tell, he is only known for two murders (which he confessed to) but is suspected of more. That does make his claim somewhat sus tbh, though maybe Luna is just using a loose definition of serial killer here. 
Aren’t there so many others though? Why use this guy instead of so many others. Definitely an abnormality