Castlevania Mafia DP1

Casey's breakdown of me and Luna feels town. Reaching into the toolkit of finding games of my town play is not what I see when I play with Casey as scum. Seems to be a lot of gut reading and going with the flow of things while still justifying a lynch. Casey shifts a bit into the town pile for that analysis

The nature of the theme kind of makes thematic splits complex, obviously whiteflame has some control over that, but like I said: Who would the bad guys be?

S1: Bad guy is Dracula, and the evil priests

S2: Still Dracula, but Technically Carmilla is worse

S3: Dracula is dead, Carmillas and her sisters kind of the main bad guy

S4: Carmillas falls off hard on the threat level, Judge is really bad, Sala is really bad, judge and Sala are against each other though, then you have death hisself who is the penultimate bad guy of the season though you don't see him or know about him until the last episode.

Then behind all these bad guys, is their vampire generals, their army of beasties, and Isaac who is just taking over cities by himself, etc. Their is so much sh1t going on, I don't know which faction would be the straightforward mafia.

If I was modding and trying to make this simple I might simply pick two bad guys that seem the worst of the worst and maybe make them scum, though they wouldn't be affiliated with each other. For example, the judge who seems good but is fvcked up and murdering innocent children in his town who cause any minor nuisance, or Carmilla who is trying to control most of humanity and has an army and means to do it through Hector, etc. There are a million bad guy factions, I don't know how you would choose one over the other. He could have just straight up made the priests the bad guy since they are the catalyst for the whole show, but they drop off halfway through season two. Then there's Nocturne and a whole new list of bad guys im just getting into.

idk man, I am down with believing the theme could be straightforward or easy, but I still don't know how whiteflame would orchestrate that given the multiple factions of villain.

On an unrelated note, one thing thats tripping me up, is that if supa is town, that means there would have to be a cop. I CANNOT THINK OF A CHARACTER THAT MAKES SENSE AS COP. Maybe as I finish Nocturne tonight I'll have this solved, but there is literally nothing in s1-4 that makes sense as a cop. I can maybe think of one character having justification for a cop based on a scene that happens, but its a very big stretch for cop and never happens again. I can see justifications for trackers/watchers maybe but Cop? What the hell character would be a cop?! Again maybe I'll figure this out as I watch Nocturne. 

Gonna post my reads since I think there's enough activity to give some base reads


Luna - I think Luna leans town. I think he is putting a lot of effort into theme breakdown and analysis into game. In fact a significant amount more. Not really typical of his scum play where he tends to lay low for a bit and not contribute more detail. The mix of behavior to theme has been beneficial to town and he isn't holding back any info for his analysis IMO. I am proceeding with caution, and not because I think he's scum, but if he's scum he could royally fuck us because of the knowledge but I think behaviorally is town

Casey- Casey still kind of feels null but I also like the post dissecting me and Luna's reaction as it shows they are attempting to make connections to different games to align behavior. obviously it could be easier cuz it's there game and they have a good idea, but I think it shows effort that tends to deviate from what I've seen casey play as scum. 

Austin - In my null pile for the most part. I don't think he's made any crazy revelations onto his end and I also think he's a bit misguided on the Luna analysis for breaking down theme because I disagree with what he's saying. It would also be beneficial to scum to lynch Luna imo as scum because IF he's town, his knowledge of the game could fuck over scum if they aren't properly prepared

Pie - I was originally sus of pie but I think I'm backing off his sus and putting him in a bit of a null / lean town. I think he's making an attempt to push activity while still being agressive which is pretty townish behavior. His backing off of Savant read feels town but him doubling down on a take and blaming Savant also feels like something he would do as town too so I can't really justify him doing that as towny.

That2 - I was starting them off in a lean town but tbh I'm kind of pushing an FoS. I did not like there 200s post as it seemed dry and assumptive, something which I think mafia tend to do. I haven't played mafia with that2 to pick on behavior queues and such but I think forcing pressure and characters is something I seen them do as scum. Less to a degree here but it seems like he's forcing them here plus the assumption of good v bad is also throwing me off 

Wylted - Everytime I play with Wylted it seems like flipping a coin heads or tails and I can never get a solid read. So null. I don't know if anything stands out but some of their agressiveness and reads come off town but honestly idk

Savant - behavior is null and I don't really have much to work with. I think his scum push and scum slip was not a scum slip but I also don't rule him out of potentially scum but no behavior has indicated in his way

Barney - I have an FoS on Barney. I think the fluff stuff obviously is old news and I've said him taking a stand and posting goes against what I've seen from town, but Barney also has adapted a bit to his game. I feel like his early posting and such are a way for him to draw town cred early on so that when he lurks or continues he could be passed down. Barney switched his meta quickly when I mentioned it and I feel like his new fluff posting could be way of combatting his old ways of lurking around

You could be right about the theme being complex hence why I said I don't want to dig too deep into it.

I have no clue about the theme so can't really say too much about it but I asked a question to WF that could clarify some things.

Do you mind elaborating more on this? There isn't any character that could  fit a cop justification? I mean damn that would be pretty crazy imo because a cop is one of the most basic investigative roles in the game. I'm only asking since you know more of the theme than I do

Correct, there isn't any real "investigators" or detective agents, or anything really like that. No police force, or  anything. Or a character that like solves stuff. Like I said it is pretty easy to BS justifications for like watchers and trackers to fit almost anything, but from a modding standpoint, I feel like coming up with a character to fit as a cop seems pretty hard for almost every character I can think of. There is an instance where Isaac figures out Godbrand is a traitor, but he doesn't really solve that, Godbrand basically just tells him flat out, so that's where I was thinking that justification could apply there but it would be a huge stretch. 

Ultimately I am only two episodes into Nocturne and I still don't see a character that fits it, but there is still another 14 episodes for me to watch, so there might be a new character that gets introduced that fits the role. Or whiteflame just came up with something extremely stretchy. Anyways, just something I find weird, it doesn't mean your scum or anything, but I think we should look closely at any cop claims that come out and make sure the justification is solid, in the chance you are scum and your partner tries to claim cop to clear you or something. 

Good v. Evil theme split is not what I am advocating, I only know I am town and Maria is on the same side as me, implying Casey is town too

I need to see Nocturne but I have 0 reason to believe Casey is a wolf based on her character claim

Full claim

I already said who he was because apparently saying his skin color was enough to make people guess. He is the captain

Finished s1 of Nocturne

So we have 12 hours left?

We have to lynch somebody everyone should be voting somebody so we know where they stand. I personally can hold off because I check in often and already gave my scum pool and am willing to lynch any one of the 4 players mentioned. We have to coalesce around somebody. I am fine with Barney if that's where we are headed but people seem to be voting him for a claim and not to lynch him.

I stated it in post 197, since apparently everyone already knows.

Everyone lets larp as our characters and change our profile pics. Bonus I will not be able to know your character even if I see your image so it gives away nothing

I will talk like I think he talks if it helps. 

*Clears throat

My niggas we have to lynch a white person. We ain't lynchen no brothas, we lynched enough of them, is your turn whities

We may be can even lynch an Indian. They have even been lynched less than whites.

I will send my army of slave night creatures to destroy white humans and end humanity unless this is a later season. 

You humans are cool cats in later seasons

I imagine him as like a 1970s black guy which is why I used the phrase "cool cats"

Come on jive turkeys we have to keep on trucking. 

Also every single person in my scum pool should just claim

It's Barney, lunatic, Casey and savant

Yo that’s a pretty crazy ability to have for a side character with less than ten minutes of screen time xD

You said he was a major villain jive turkey

Am I in your scum pool because I guessed your character? lol you didn’t make it hard my guy. You basically claimed it.

What I actually said:

I thought you were thinking of Isaac or something because the wiki didn't seem to say protagonist or anything. Can you link to the wiki page you found?

I legit assumed you were just wrong

If you are actually unironically claiming the ship dude while actively mixing up

Isaac’s forge master abilities with a side character that’s lowkey hilarious but I’d be lynching you lol 

-Exchange between Trevor and Alucard (from Castlevania S1)

Bro you are the one claiming forge abilities or something. I am just like "bro I am the ship dude" . I barely glanced at even my own characters description and I am tempted to play along and be like "yeah I am who you are thinking of" but then I could see playing along and getting CCed by that2 or somebody else who has that character and causing a big kerfuffle. The only reason I am pushing back is to avoid one of those mishaps.