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@Barney
If children couldnt have knowledge, then sending them to school would be pointless as they couldnt learn anything.
Children can consent
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@Barney
Consent is not all or nothing but exists on a great spectrum where children are capable of consenting to some things but not others. But all people can consent to some things, but not to others, as no person has all knowledge.
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@Best.Korea
Children develop more autonomy over time, and they should be allowed to exercise all consent appropriate to their level of understanding.
This has next to nothing to do with anything I just said.
Common, fight me on this.
Why? Everytime I or anyone else points out to you why your position is flawed you won't address it.
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@Double_R
Children make choices daily: what to wear, what to eat, what activities to join. This is demonstrating obvious decision-making ability.
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@Double_R
Everytime I or anyone else points out to you why your position is flawed you won't address it.
None of the arguments I gave were negated in any way.
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@Double_R
If you are wondering why I dont respond to your "everything will go to shit if we let children consent to something" nonsense argument, is because it is not only an unproved argument, but actually contradicts even with law in US and Europe which already lets children consent in many cases, and contradicts with all cases of countries which let children consent, and contradicts with entire history.
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@Best.Korea
For sure, an intellectually developed social system is what it is and what it has become.
And if little Daisy chooses a salad sandwich, then should an appropriate adult decide that she should have ham instead.
Because little Daisy is not mature enough to understand the socio-economic impact that vegetarianism has on livestock farmers.
Of course all this stems from the ridiculous inability of an intellectual species to come to terms with it's reproductive systems and apparatus.
A better example of clever stupid there never was.
Though as Ernest would say...Masturbation is the answer to all our ongoing sexual needs.
Think little Daisy...Wank...Have a cup of coffee...Aaaaaaand relax. BK.
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@zedvictor4
And if little Daisy chooses a salad sandwich, then should an appropriate adult decide that she should have ham instead.Because little Daisy is not mature enough to understand the socio-economic impact that vegetarianism has on livestock farmers.
Children usually choose food which they know they like. The mere act of choosing requires knowledge, proving that children have some knowledge.
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@Best.Korea
Children acquire more knowledge than and adult ever can.
Which isn't to say that we weren't all children at some point.
Nonetheless food fads are an acquired trait relative to social circumstance and conditioning.
Which is why witchetty grubs are an Aussie Aboriginal delicacy, and the impoverished deep south prefer chicken gizzards, and the social elite delight in the consumption of snotty bivalves.
And sexuality is a state of being and is self taught...Though adults like to think that they have been taught better.
Hmmm...Cheese and pickle sandwich and a packet of potato crisps please.
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@zedvictor4
I am just saying that children should have a choice.
Japan increased age of consent from 13 to 16. I guess they too have fallen for the lie that writing random age barriers on paper and taking away choice somehow solves problems.
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@Best.Korea
If children couldnt have knowledge, then sending them to school would be pointless as they couldnt learn anything.
Nobody said children can't have knowledge, the reason you send them to school is, so they gain knowledge
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@Sidewalker
Teaching children that they can consent but also can say "no" to unwanted physical contact improves their right to bodily autonomy and ability of consent, and enables them to be able to determine their life and reject unwanted advances much better than teaching them that their opinion doesnt matter.
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@Best.Korea
Japan increased age of consent from 13 to 16. I guess they too have fallen for the lie that writing random age barriers on paper and taking away choice somehow solves problems.
Well, there is no perfect nation on this planet.
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@cristo71
Well, there is no perfect nation on this planet.
Well, sure, but if people want to make bad choices, then they shouldnt be surprised that their nation only gets worse over time.
Bad choice which repeats over time doesnt just stay same over time, but even causes other bad choices. In this way, society which doesnt stop with bad choices doesnt actually stay same, but gets worse over time because one bad decision of one person can cause another person to make a bad decision.
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@Best.Korea
Children usually choose food which they know they like. The mere act of choosing requires knowledge, proving that children have some knowledge.
Nobody said children don't have knowledge, you are just babbling nonsense non-sequiturs.
Nothing you have said is the least bit relevant to the question of consent, you can't fuck children under any circumstances. Not if you pretend you still don't understand, not if you blather on and on that children should be able to let you fuck them, not if you make children out to be the victim of laws that protect children, you can't fuck children, ever.
Let's jump ahead and summarize all your next posts, and all your next threads about it.
Blah blah blah, no, you still can't fuck children.
Blah blah blah, no, you still can't fuck children.
Blah blah blah, no, you still can't fuck children.
Blah blah blah, no, you still can't fuck children.
Blah blah blah, no, you still can't fuck children.
Blah blah blah, no, you still can't fuck children.
Faster, harder, a little to the left.
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@Best.Korea
Well, there is no perfect nation on this planet.Well, sure, but if people want to make bad choices, then they shouldnt be surprised that their nation only gets worse over time.
Yes, and when you make bad choices, you get to put on a dress and dance for Butch as foreplay.
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@Sidewalker
I am glad you are enjoying our debate here, but anyway. Ability to consent, like all abilities, are developed with practice. By not letting children consent and teaching them to obey, their ability to consent is reduced and this enables adults to take advantage of them. It is also reducing their ability of consent even when they turn 18, due to lack of experience and practice in making their own decisions.
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@Best.Korea
I am glad you are enjoying our debate here, but anyway. Ability to consent, like all abilities, are developed with practice. By not letting children consent and teaching them to obey, their ability to consent is reduced and this enables adults to take advantage of them. It is also reducing their ability of consent even when they turn 18, due to lack of experience and practice in making their own decisions.
No, you still can't fuck children.
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@Sidewalker
In various cultures and historical periods, children have been granted decision making power much earlier than in modern western societies, and this enabled them to be more capable than children in western societies.
A child will consent to anything if offered the right reward.
This video pretty much some's up a child's ability to make an informed decision when it comes to consent
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@sadolite
A child will consent to anything if offered the right reward.
Denying children of consent doesnt protect children. It just means adults around them make decisions for them without asking for their opinion or trying to inform them much. There is no guarantee that adults around them will make decisions which children will ever agree with.
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@Best.Korea
Adults almost never make decisions a child will agree with. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g3dMQTGE8kY
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@sadolite
Thats just the consequence of not informing children.
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@sadolite
The consequence of not informing children and not letting them decide will always be less informed children who are less capable of making decisions. Not sure why this would surprise anyone.
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@Best.Korea
For sure.
Though the argument is all about dirty old men and little kiddies, and the perversity of the human races evolved inhibitions and associated anxieties.
So if a dirty old man fucks a sixteen year old, the level of anxiety would be no less than if he fucked a 15 year old.
Though if a sixteen year old fucked a 15 year old no one would really care.
So the dirty old man plays games with a 9 year old, boom lynch mob time.
But in who's head exists the acquired perversity.
And anyway, does anyone have a choice?
Doesn't everything that occurs now, depend upon everything that occurred previously.
Ok...So society pretends to abhor a woman fucking a minor...That's equality for you.
If back in the day my history teacher had asked me back to hers for some private tuition, I would have been a fucking hero.
And existed in a constant state of premature ejaculation.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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@zedvictor4
So the dirty old man plays games with a 9 year old, boom lynch mob time.
If children had a right to choose, they would choose who they like the most to be with. If children are given right to consent, then entire society would have to inform and persuade children to get their consent, which creates great motivation for both parents and everyone else to inform children and talk with them much more to get their consent about anything. This would greatly increase child's knowledge and decision making abilities and consent abilities and sense of control over life. Once they are 18, they would have much more knowledge and sense of control and confidence than children who were denied of choice for 18 years, which further prevents being taken advantage of later in life.
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@Best.Korea
Yep, and if parents were taught to be responsible and social governments had a cohesive social strategy of inclusiveness and equality. Then it's less likely that neither dirty old men nor little Daisy would occur.
Doesn't work like that though.
Never has.
We make a song and dance, buy that's all it is, a brief song and dance.
And then move on.
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@zedvictor4
USA did have age of consent at 10 for almost hundred years in some states, but it was different back then. Child abuse didnt reduce later with increasing age of consent. It even increased. Giving children right to consent protects children from abuse. If parents have no right to deny their children of choice, then they are less likely to deny children of choice. This protects children from over controlling parents. Over controlling parents are scientifically proved to harm child's decision making development and child's knowledge and confidence and ability to reject unwanted advances. Sadly, today, there are bunch of control freak parents who think children are their property, and their children either rush into relationships to escape parent's control or they become incapable of even having decent relationships.
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@Best.Korea
USA did have age of consent at 10 for almost hundred years in some states, but it was different back then. Child abuse didnt reduce later with increasing age of consent. It even increased. Giving children right to consent protects children from abuse. If parents have no right to deny their children of choice, then they are less likely to deny children of choice. This protects children from over controlling parents. Over controlling parents are scientifically proved to harm child's decision making development and child's knowledge and confidence and ability to reject unwanted advances. Sadly, today, there are bunch of control freak parents who think children are their property, and their children either rush into relationships to escape parent's control or they become incapable of even having decent relationships.
Get your facts right.
The ages of consent were raised across the U.S. during the late 19th century and the early 20th century. By 1920, 26 states had an age of consent at 16, 21 states had an age of consent at 18, and one state (Georgia) had an age of consent at 14.