Children can consent

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Giving children right to consent protects children from abuse. If parents have no right to deny their children of choice, then they are less likely to deny children of choice. This protects children from over controlling parents. Over controlling parents are scientifically proved to harm child's decision making development and child's knowledge and confidence and ability to reject unwanted advances.
Nonsense, your question has been asked and answered a hundred times here, it's a stupid question and you can't seem to get enough of it, the question becomes, are you whacking off to this thread?  


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Are you going to give any arguments here?
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Are you going to give any arguments here?
Is your keyboard sticky?
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Common, just one argument. Do I have to say please?
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Common, just one argument. Do I have to say please?
If you really need to rub one out, you can always go back to one of the other fifty threads you've done.


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You are mean lol
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Well guys, any arguments?
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Children can learn things, thus they can consent to things they know. No person has all knowledge, thus it is not necessary to have all knowledge in order to consent, only some knowledge, which children can have. If all knowledge was necessary to consent, then no person would be able to consent, which doesnt work.
You are dodging the questions;

Q1. Do you believe a 4 year old should be able to consent?

Q2. Do you have any response to the point I made about children being easily manipulable and the harm that would certainly follow from what you are suggesting?

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Children have goals and wishes, and those goals and wishes can be fulfilled irrelevant of their knowledge or age.
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@Best.Korea
Q1. Do you believe a 4 year old should be able to consent?

Q2. Do you have any response to the point I made about children being easily manipulable and the harm that would certainly follow from what you are suggesting?

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Q1. Do you believe a 4 year old should be able to consent?
To some things they can understand, yes. The UN "Convention on the Rights of the Child" says that children have evolving capacities and should participate in decisions affecting them.
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Yes children consent to watching their favorite cartoons, eating sweets, playing with toys, sure .
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Can children consent to children sexually?
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Do you know about Amos Yee?
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Do you know about Amos Yee?
I think he did some debates on YouTube and his videos got removed, but I didnt really watch his debates.
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To even ask this misses the point.
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Well, what is the point which is being missed by the question? 
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Can children consent to children sexually?
That’s like the immature leading the immature similar to the blind leading the blind.
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Well, what is the point which is being missed by the question? 
The point is the same as in the last fifty threads where you ask this question.  

Consent is defined as giving permission, children cannot give you permission, children have no right to overrule the law, and before you do your predator song and dance, NO, children are not the victim of the laws that are there to protect children, break those laws and you will be the victim.

This was the case the last hundred times you asked, and it won't change if you ask another hundred times.


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If children cant consent, then everything done to them is done without their consent. So school, healthcare... are all done without their consent. It is immoral to force things on others, even if you consider it beneficial. For example, you cant force people to go vegetarian or to meddle in their life the way you think is beneficial, because what is beneficial is determined by what is wanted, and something unwanted cannot be beneficial. In this way, saying that children cant consent is a concession that school and healthcare and whole of  society are immoral and evil.
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This was the case the last hundred times you asked, and it won't change if you ask another hundred times.
B.K. asks the same question repeatedly hoping to get the same answer. That is the opposite of insanity where the person asks the same question repeatedly hoping to get a different answer.
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B.K. asks the same question
I am asking for you guys to give some arguments to defend your position that children shouldnt have a choice in their life.
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Q1. Do you believe a 4 year old should be able to consent?
To some things they can understand, yes. The UN "Convention on the Rights of the Child" says that children have evolving capacities and should participate in decisions affecting them.
This was the third time I asked two very specific questions, finally you acknowledge it but seem to have purposefully ignored the second. That smacks of intellectual dishonesty, if you were being honest and intellectually curious you should have no problem answering simple good faith questions.

But as far as the one question you did answer... you believe a 4 year old should be able to (legally) consent to having sex. Ok.

The first problem with all of this is that you frame your position as being in favor of the right of children, which is to say you're fighting for their best interests. Meanwhile, you are advocating a position that would objectively lead to harm for children. You really need to reconcile that. You cannot with a straight face argue that pedophiles world wide would not jump up and cheer if the position you are taking suddenly became law.

The second problem is that the logic you are using to make these arguments is fundamentally flawed. To go back to your point before:

No person has all knowledge, thus it is not necessary to have all knowledge in order to consent, only some knowledge, which children can have. If all knowledge was necessary to consent, then no person would be able to consent, which doesnt work.
No one is suggesting that anyone needs all knowledge to make their own decisions. This argument is based on the classic slippery slope; "if we let two men marry what's to stop someone from marrying their dog?", or "if we lower the drinking age, what's to stop 7 year olds from buying liquor?". Just because we go one step further doesn't mean we're doomed to never stop. Most boundaries are arbitrary, that doesn't mean they don't serve a very important purpose. We can argue over where that line should be drawn, but to argue that the potential for any movement at all makes the line harmful or irrational fails.

Children are far less equipped to make serious consequential life decisions, sex is one of them. And allowing them to make that decision opens them up to a far greater potential of abuse. The good you are trying to frame your argument as being in support of is far outweighed by the bad. It's that simple.

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Children develop more autonomy over time, and they should be allowed to exercise all consent appropriate to their level of understanding.
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If children cant consent, then everything done to them is done without their consent. So school, healthcare... are all done without their consent. It is immoral to force things on others, even if you consider it beneficial.
No it isn't, children are dependent on adults for their care, they are not responsible for themselves, their parent or legal guardian is responsible for their care.

For example, you cant force people to go vegetarian or to meddle in their life the way you think is beneficial, because what is beneficial is determined by what is wanted, and something unwanted cannot be beneficial. In this way, saying that children cant consent is a concession that school and healthcare and whole of  society are immoral and evil.
Nonsense, there is nothing immoral or evil about caring for the young until they are able to take care of themselves.

You really think you can convince us that we are evil and immoral if we don't let pedophiles fuck our children, get a grip.


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Some children demonstrate clear decision-making capabilities, and have IQ much higher than adults.
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I wish he was on this site........are you Amos Yee?
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Can they consent to each other?
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I wish he was on this site
Well, I dont know where he is. His YouTube got deleted long time ago. I dont think we can invite him.

are you Amos Yee?
No. Maybe I use some similar arguments, but when talking of same topic, similar arguments tend to come up.
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Well, what is the point which is being missed by the question? 
In addition to what others have pointed out, any level of consent from a child is comparatively meaningless to that of an adult. The lapse in ethics stems from the adult taking advantage, not from the child.