On Feb 24, the UN introduced three resolutions to officially condemn Russia’s war in Ukraine, and demand an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops. The US voted alongside Russia to not adopt those resolutions. I personally think it’s good we voted that way and that Western Europe should not have voted to adopt the resolutions. I don’t mean that it’s good to approve of the war (that’s not what the US meant in voting against it), I just think that fully condemning Russia right as we’re entering peace talks is a bad idea and might keep Russia from cooperating.
US Votes To Not Condemn Russia’s War On Ukraine
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What is the process in how America decides what to vote in the UN?
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@Lemming
I’m pretty sure we have our Ambassador consult executive officials, and then they vote for us. Not sure though.
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@Sunshineboy217
Putin smiles again.
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@Best.Korea
He probably is. And that’s a good thing. Do you know why? Because now he feels like he’s gained something, even though he really hasn’t (that UN resolution does nothing but verbally condemn him). It’ll make him more open to peace talks (hopefully).
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@Best.Korea
The thing is, we can’t just condemn a nation the second we enter peace negotiations with them. They need to feel like we can compromise. That’s basic Foreign Relations 101.
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@Best.Korea
And plus, aren’t you a Nazi? I don’t think you’re in any position to be giving us an opinion against a dictator.
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@Lemming
What is the process in how America decides what to vote in the UN?
It's a pretty straightforward process actually.
Putin tells Trump how to vote and then Trump tells the US ambassador to the United Nations how to vote.
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@Sunshineboy217
He probably is. And that’s a good thing. Do you know why? Because now he feels like he’s gained something, even though he really hasn’t (that UN resolution does nothing but verbally condemn him). It’ll make him more open to peace talks (hopefully).
Yes, when Trump bends over and squeals like a pig for Putin, it's called strategy.
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@Sidewalker
I am not basing this off of Trump. Literally every Cold War President knew that compromise is key when opening peace talks with a capable enemy. It’s kind of common sense that when you’re dealing with an opponent who is just as powerful (if not, more) as you, you need to make sure that they feel that they’re getting something out of it, too. If we vote to directly condemn Putin, he’s just going to walk away from the negotiating table. I personally would have abstained, but this vote might be what we need to get Putin to finally be rational and become open to peace talks.
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@Sunshineboy217
I am not basing this off of Trump. Literally every Cold War President knew that compromise is key when opening peace talks with a capable enemy. It’s kind of common sense that when you’re dealing with an opponent who is just as powerful (if not, more) as you, you need to make sure that they feel that they’re getting something out of it, too. If we vote to directly condemn Putin, he’s just going to walk away from the negotiating table. I personally would have abstained, but this vote might be what we need to get Putin to finally be rational and become open to peace talks.
I get it, Trump is betraying our allies to please Putin, and MAGA followers call that strategery, now lay some "weave" on me.
He should probably give Putin a free Trump bible, Trump golden sneakers, and a cabinet seat too, you know, to put him in the mood to negotiate for California next.
According to hearsay, Putin has a video of Trump having sex with russian prostitutes in the Ritz Hotel which can explain why Trump is so in favour with Putin. In fact, the rumor says that in the video we can see Trump receive a golden shower from the prostitutes. What a lucky bastard!!
Jokes aside, I agree when some of you say it's a strategy to get a deal with these people. Trump is particularly friendly with autocrats like Putin, the north korean fatass, Maduro, and many others. I think Trump tries to avoid any conflict with people with some kind of destructive behaviour.
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@IlDiavolo
And I think that sort of avoidance is a good thing in this day and age, considering that we’re essentially in a second Cold War.
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@Sunshineboy217
Hey sunshine.
It's a well known fact that Putin et al are are arseholes, and that Putin et al know that they are being arseholes.
Consequently, Putin et al don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do.
It's also a well known fact that the US, who think that they are the voice of the UN, also don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.
It's also a well known fact that Trump et al think that they are the bee's knees and don't need to give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.
So that still leaves a growing list of dead Ukrainian and Russian minions (and whosoever else cares to join the party).
And it's a well known fact that paranoid megalomaniacs don't give a toss about minions.
Same old human shit, especially for people who see no point in moving on.
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@Sunshineboy217
He probably is. And that’s a good thing. Do you know why? Because now he feels like he’s gained something, even though he really hasn’t (that UN resolution does nothing but verbally condemn him). It’ll make him more open to peace talks (hopefully).
What did Putin feel he gained that he hasn’t already? The old phrase goes something like, there are no friends in politics, only common entrusts. It seems the common entrust right now between Putin and Trump is pillaging Ukraine and fucking over American allies in general.
I am not basing this off of Trump. Literally every Cold War President knew that compromise is key when opening peace talks with a capable enemy. It’s kind of common sense that when you’re dealing with an opponent who is just as powerful (if not, more) as you, you need to make sure that they feel that they’re getting something out of it, too. If we vote to directly condemn Putin, he’s just going to walk away from the negotiating table. I personally would have abstained, but this vote might be what we need to get Putin to finally be rational and become open to peace talks.
It makes more sense if you’re just talking about Ukraine and Russia. America’s military is more powerful than Russia’s military is to Ukraine’s.
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@Sunshineboy217
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am for peace through strength, not appeasement. Reagan was able to negotiate with the Soviets while still calling it “the evil empire.” If this emboldens Russia to acquire more territory or China to blockade Taiwan, it will be a foreign policy failure.
Interests*
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@cristo71
Russia doesn't want any more territory than the one it has held onto for the past 3 years. If they were going to take more land, they had 3 years to do it instead of bleeding Ukraine with constant artillery shellings. Some hardliners wanted more territory like Prigozhin, and they killed him for it.
This has always been about the spoils of war, and Europe is far more pissed it will not be at the spoils table than it is credibly worried about Putin. EU has made zero moves to ramp up their militaries, signalling there was never a need to do so.
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@Greyparrot
EU has made zero moves to ramp up their militaries
EU has bad economy right now. When they imposed sanctions on Russia, they merely imposed sanctions on some of their own buisnesses. Trump wants EU to increase military budget because it means buying more weapons from USA. But EU cant really afford to sink deeper into poverty.
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@Greyparrot
Russia doesn't want any more territory than the one it has held onto for the past 3 years. If they were going to take more land, they had 3 years to do it instead of bleeding Ukraine with constant artillery shellings. Some hardliners wanted more territory like Prigozhin, and they killed him for it.
I think Putin is playing a longer game than that. I know nothing about Prigozhin, so I welcome any references you have on that situation.
This has always been about the spoils of war, and Europe is far more pissed it will not be at the spoils table than it is credibly worried about Putin. EU has made zero moves to ramp up their militaries, signalling there was never a need to do so.
I’m not sure what spoils the EU was expecting out of this. Military budgets are the most expedient things to skimp on when peace is taken for granted, and a nation such as the USA has historically had your back. NATO wouldn’t mean much without the USA.
Putin could be a US citizen if he buys a Trump $5 million dollar Gold visa card.
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@cristo71
Right now, America is competing with the EU for the spoils of war. This war was never about "the poor people of Ukraine, we feel so so sorry for them"
It was always about bleeding Ukraine and breaking Ukraine apart so that it could be exploited by both sides. Trump recognizes the USA has way more to offer Ukraine in terms of security assurances that the EU can. EU banked on the USA supporting their exploitation of Ukraine, but they never thought for a second that America would just take their ball and go their own way in this game of exploitation. They thought NATO leverage against America would always be in favor of EU interests. This game has been completely changed, and there are now new rules. EU has not much at all to offer in terms of security, and that was their own fault by outsourcing their local security to Americans.
America will profit greatly from this peace, not the EU, despite all predictions from every EU pundit.
America will profit greatly from this peace, not the EU, despite all predictions from every EU pundit.
We have yet to see the deal Trump negotiated with Zelenskyy.
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@Greyparrot
Thanks for the article. For me, this is a tussle between piss poor optics and the possibility of savvy, expedient statesmanship. This is where the concept of political capital comes in. I think Trump just used a lot of it. Time will tell…
All good points, we’ll have to see where the peace talks go.
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@cristo71
Reagan was able to negotiate with the Soviets while still calling it “the evil empire.”
Reagan never officially condemned Soviet military actions when he was going through peace talks with them. He lessened his “evil empire” rhetoric during said peace talks.
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@FLRW
Putin could be a US citizen if he buys a Trump $5 million dollar Gold visa card.
Those gold cards are only for those who have hired a lot of American workers in America and contributed a significant amount to the American economy.
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@Shila
We have yet to see the deal Trump negotiated with Zelenskyy.
Trump just announced in his Cabinet meeting today that they have just finished the first portion of that deal (including a rare minerals deal), and it will be unveiled when Zelenskyy visits D.C. on Friday.
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@Sunshineboy217
Reagan never officially condemned Soviet military actions when he was going through peace talks with them. He lessened his “evil empire” rhetoric during said peace talks.
Yeah, I guess that is true, but I think he eased off when Gorbachev was the premier. Some even argue that Gorbachev was more responsible for the Soviet Union’s downfall than Reagan.
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@cristo71
Yes, and it was when Gorbachev was premier that the peace talks began.