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Left wingers: How DARE Trump want a 3rd term!  This is TYRANNY!!!
Me: Thoughts on term limit free Canada?
Left wingers: (Often) so angry that they can't refute it that if online, then they block me, if in person, they are frozen.  They have a PARTY to stick too; Canada is left wing; so they support them; Trump is right wing; so they oppose him.  This will be for Canadian and American Left Wingers alike.
There is no foreseeable wiggle room to me; it's just bold face hypocritical.

Hold Trump and Trudeau to the same standard for term limits.  Either be fine with term limits for them BOTH or be against it for them BOTH.
My rule with term limits is I don't believe in term limits and I think every term should only be 1 year long.  The public can vote them out if they become crazy.
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   Welcome to DOGE.
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DOGE has nothing to do with this.
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I'm pretty sure Trump knows he's not gonna get a third term lol. I didn't know Canada had term limits, though. That's kinda fucked lol.
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Left wingers: How DARE Trump want a 3rd term!  This is TYRANNY!!!
Because it violates the US constitution, and Trump is president of the US. The US constitution does not put term limits on members of Congress, so it's not tyranny for members of Congress to run for more than two terms.

Me: Thoughts on term limit free Canada?
Canada is not bound by the US constitution.
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Your only argument is status quo ism.  Your ideal policy for Canada should be the same as the US.  Either that, or you don't care if a place has term limits or not.
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More strawmans.
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How DARE Trump want a 3rd term!  This is TYRANNY!!!
Eh, who cares?
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Your only argument is status quo ism.
If leaders don't respecting the laws of a country, you get civil war.

Your ideal policy for Canada should be the same as the US.
My ideal policy is no term limits, but I don't support violating the constitution to do it.
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If leaders don't respecting the laws of a country, you get civil war.
Any law a leader doesn't like they want to change.

My ideal policy is no term limits, but I don't support violating the constitution to do it.
Why not change the constitution?
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Why not change the constitution?
Most of the concern I've seen (legit or not) is that Trump would go around the constitution. Since amending it at this point would be impossible.

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That is whether or not the constitution gets changed.
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Hold Trump and Trudeau to the same standard for term limits.  Either be fine with term limits for them BOTH or be against it for them BOTH.
That has nothing to do with the issue.

Most left wingers oppose third terms on principal as do I. The idea is to ensure presidents are temporary guardians of the constitution, which helps to ensure they will fight to protect it knowing they will be a private citizen again in the foreseeable future. Trump however is doing everything he can to dismantle it, so his seeking of a third term is an extension of the assault he's already waged on our democracy.

There is no world where Trump leaves graciously and turns power over to a democrat preaching the importance of respecting or democratic process. He wants a third term so he can try and rig the next election for himself just like he tried in 2020, except this time he'll have his sycophants planted in every area of the federal government to help him.
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I'm pretty sure Trump knows he's not gonna get a third term lol. I didn't know Canada had term limits, though. That's kinda fucked lol.
The American people want Trump to get a third term. Because Elon Musk will be running the country.
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I hope Musk puts Trump on a Starship.
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Death is another option.
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I hope Musk puts Trump on a Starship.
Does Trump want credit for walking on Mars?
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Most left wingers oppose third terms on principal as do I.
So then criticize Trudeau for getting a 3rd term.

Hold Trump and Treadeau to the same standard.
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Well, he has walked on foreign sex workers.
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Hold Trump and Treadeau to the same standard.
That cannot happen. Trump is a convicted criminal.
Over the course of five decades, Donald Trump has been accused of sexual assault, tax evasion, money laundering, non-payment of employees, and the defrauding of tenants, customers, contractors, investors, bankers, and charities. Also filed 6 bankruptcies. Trump paid 88.5 million to E.Jean Carroll for raping and defaming her. Trump was charged with paying hush money to porn stat Stormy Daniels to keep secret their sexual encounter while Melania was pregnant with Barron. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years . 
Trump has been impeached twice, indicted 4 times with 91 felony counts. Ordered to pay 88.3 million dollars for sexually assaulting and defaming E.Jean Carroll. Trump was fined 464 million dollars for business fraud and is in court for paying a porn star Stormy Daniels hush money to keep her silent during the elections. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years Trump has been charged with tax fraud in Chicago to the tune of 100 million dollars. A New York jury on Thursday found Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records — the first time a former U.S. president has been convicted of a crime.

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Hold Trump and Treadeau to the same standard.
That cannot happen. Trump is a convicted criminal.
The context was about term limits; not moral integrity.  The charges against Trump were dropped the day he won I heard.
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Unlike Trump’s federal criminal charges, the civil cases playing out against Trump—including in federal court—aren’t expected to be impacted by his election, as Supreme Court precedent in Clinton v. Jones found sitting presidents can still be held liable in civil court for actions before they took office. That means writer E. Jean Carroll’s two defamation cases against Trump, as well as the civil fraud case against Trump and his business associates, will not be impacted, as Trump appeals the rulings against him in those cases. It also means if the appeals court upholds the decisions, Trump will also still be liable for the more than $90 million he owes in Carroll’s two cases and more than $470 million—and counting—in the civil fraud case. Trump is also being sued in civil court by Democratic lawmakers and Capitol police officers for his role in the Jan. 6 riot, and judges have already ruled he is not immune from those lawsuits.
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You might be right that Trump did very bad things.  But if he did those bad things, then you can get him out of office (and he'll be replaced by Vance).  But if you are against Vance having term limits, then hold Trudeau to the same standard.  Nobody think Vance is a criminal.
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Most left wingers oppose third terms on principal as do I.
So then criticize Trudeau for getting a 3rd term.

Hold Trump and Treadeau to the same standard.
We are, you would know that if you read a word I said.

Trudeau didn't decide third terms were ok, his country did. That has nothing to do with him.

The criticism of Trump isn't about the principal, that was the point.

The criticism about Trump is *why* he wants a third term, the answer is because he's actively trying to rewrite our constitution for his own personal benefit. That's what people are talking about, so if you're going to criticize the left criticize is for what we're actually talking about.
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The criticism about Trump is *why* he wants a third term, the answer is because he's actively trying to rewrite our constitution for his own personal benefit

How exactly does one man do that? Genuinely curious.
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"How exactly does one man do that? Genuinely curious."

Ya, me to. How exactly will Trump go about rewriting the constitution when it takes 2/3 of congress to make any change to it.


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Don't forget ratification. (3/4)
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I don't know, I hear radical leftists talk all the time about this nonsense, and it makes it very difficult to believe you could ever have a rational discussion with them.
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Trudeau didn't decide third terms were ok, his country did. That has nothing to do with him.
Well, "his country deciding" is really, "a former PM deciding".  Trump happens to be the current leader of the US; but whether it's current or prior should be irrelevent.

The criticism about Trump is *why* he wants a third term, the answer is because he's actively trying to rewrite our constitution for his own personal benefit.
When you say this, do you mean:

1. Trump's Personal FINANCIAL benefit.
2. Trump's Personal IDEOLOGICAL benefit.
3. Other

If it's #1, then running for POTUS is a bad choice; elections are expensive.  If it's #2, then the left wants to do this as well (look at "equal rights amendment").  Everyone for the most part wants to rewrite the constitution for their own ideological benefit.

Nobody is consistently anti Executive order.  If there is an executive order that codifies Roe V Wade, all the left wingers who act scared of EOs will turn a blind eye to an EO that they strongly agree with.
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The criticism about Trump is *why* he wants a third term, the answer is because he's actively trying to rewrite our constitution for his own personal benefit
How exactly does one man do that?
By amassing a cult following that would be willing to throw away the constitution and commit violence on your behalf, then pardon many of them thereby signaling that violence under your administration is ok if committed on your behalf, then use that support to pressure members of Congress into doing whatever you want.

It's worked quite well so far, in fact Trump is literally president right now because of the threat of violence against members of Congress who as the woke liberal Mitt Romney recalled, were unwilling to disqualify Trump from office only because they feared for their own safety.

Will it work here? It very well could, but probably not. The point has nothing to do with how likely this all is, the point is about what this says about the man we just handed power back to.